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I feel like it also depends on the position. I have a buddy with a philosophy degree from a Ivy League, who wants to "Learn to code". Even with experience I see

by maldev 4y ago

I feel like it also depends on the position. I have a buddy with a philosophy degree from a Ivy League, who wants to "Learn to code". Even with experience I see him getting into a high technical systems programming job very low without a degree. And I see his only future after his code bootcamp as a javascript code monkey, which is becoming more and more saturated, with lower pay and more work. I tell him alot since I want to be honest, I don't know how much longer extremely basic, low end website/api development will stick around. With Github Copilot currently I can see it almost replaced, but with what we get into in the future, I don't think we'll need people who at best call an api and display the data on a website with no other thought or architecture.

lowercased 4y ago
Philosophy degree-holder here. Was programming on home computers for ~8 years before university. Got a philosophy degree, then got a job in tech. Was doing 'web' stuff in early 96, and got 'full time web dev' job in early 98. Few had degrees in anything (IIRC a couple of older compsci folks) but ... there were no bootcamps or degrees or classes for Perl, ASP, or Java. Everyone just dug in. It was a simpler time though. blink tags, image maps, no CSS, no JS at first, then very primitive JS for years... I guess I've never seen a position which only did API calls from JS and formatted data. That's always been wrapped up with develop/implement parts of the API as well. Maybe I've not worked in enough "enterprise" shops?
porknubbins 4y ago
I don’t know, I work for a lot of companies where I see a huge need for good webdev skills combined with a high enough general intelligence (ie an ivy league philosophy major) to understand the domain well enough to know what needs to be coded.
anongraddebt 4y ago
I’m self-taught, with bachelors and grad degrees in non-STEM. Broke into the industry a little over two years ago. I currently have interviews with FAANG and FAANG-tier for SDE roles. In fact, I have a final round this week. You can teach yourself pretty much all of a CS curriculum by buying a stack of textbooks listed on CS syllabi, and then going to town. Naturally, you’ll build projects while doing this. Do some LC and prep for interviews. You don’t need to get a CS degree to get SDE interviews. It helps, but isn’t necessary. And to pass technical rounds, you don’t even need to have read most of that stack of CS textbooks. You need some bits and pieces from that stack of books, and be quick on your feet with LC medium. If your friend is good at standardized tests, then LC is right up their alley.

by maldev 4y ago

lowercased 4y ago

Philosophy degree-holder here. Was programming on home computers for ~8 years before university. Got a philosophy degree, then got a job in tech. Was doing 'web' stuff in early 96, and got 'full time web dev' job in early 98. Few had degrees in anything (IIRC a couple of older compsci folks) but ... there were no bootcamps or degrees or classes for Perl, ASP, or Java. Everyone just dug in. It was a simpler time though. blink tags, image maps, no CSS, no JS at first, then very primitive JS for years... I guess I've never seen a position which only did API calls from JS and formatted data. That's always been wrapped up with develop/implement parts of the API as well. Maybe I've not worked in enough "enterprise" shops?

porknubbins 4y ago

I don’t know, I work for a lot of companies where I see a huge need for good webdev skills combined with a high enough general intelligence (ie an ivy league philosophy major) to understand the domain well enough to know what needs to be coded.

anongraddebt 4y ago

I’m self-taught, with bachelors and grad degrees in non-STEM. Broke into the industry a little over two years ago. I currently have interviews with FAANG and FAANG-tier for SDE roles. In fact, I have a final round this week. You can teach yourself pretty much all of a CS curriculum by buying a stack of textbooks listed on CS syllabi, and then going to town. Naturally, you’ll build projects while doing this. Do some LC and prep for interviews. You don’t need to get a CS degree to get SDE interviews. It helps, but isn’t necessary. And to pass technical rounds, you don’t even need to have read most of that stack of CS textbooks. You need some bits and pieces from that stack of books, and be quick on your feet with LC medium. If your friend is good at standardized tests, then LC is right up their alley.