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Genuinely curious, what part of the tweet you linked to do you consider to be Russian propaganda?

stanislavb 4y ago
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simlevesque 4y ago
The part where he repeats Russian propaganda points. Like when he says they should do "elections under UN supervision". In a region which just experienced mass deportation of it's habitants and mass migration of native russians, by force, in the last months. Also, he absolutely glosses over the fact that Russia blatantly broke the Budapest Memorandum. How can you trust them at all ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
- GaylordTuring 4y ago
  You’re not giving Musk enough credit. Do you think taking these things into account wasn’t part of his proposal? What do you think he would answer if he got a direct question about this part?
  - drcongo 4y ago
    He literally revised his poll when he did get direct questions about it, because he obviously hadn't thought any of it through. Absolutely blows my mind how many little fanboys he has that will perform incredible feats of mental gymnastics just to lickspittle themselves at his feet.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > Do you think taking these things into account wasn’t part of his proposal? I presume it was about as well thought-out as the original Twitter purchase offer.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    Why would I give the fellow who hired a private investigator to smear and destroy a hero rescuing children because said hero wouldn't support his moronic submarine proposal the benefit of the doubt? How about the guy who is being sued to buy twitter way over face value because he decides the disposition of billions by tweet? The man is a fool who buys and takes credit for better men's work who got his start with apartheid money. He doesn't deserve credit or your hero worship.
- neaden 4y ago
  Also mass murder of its inhabitants.
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dralley 4y ago
The part where he referred to the country of Ukraine as "Khrushchev's mistake", for one.
jandrese 4y ago
- redeeman 4y ago
  so let me get this straight, when elon musk says the elections they had now cannot be trusted, and calls for new elections with UN observers, so that the result should be trustworthy, he is really just trying to legitimize the "elections" they already held? I can see I need a few words with my english teacher
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Great start for peace, the assumption that nothing said by Russia is true, and their future behavior will always be bad. You have no inside line, and no particular insight, what makes you so sure of what Russia thinks, what Russia wants, and what Russia will do, and casually disregards anything that Russia says and any of Russia's stated concerns? Why does everyone speculate about the inner states of Putin and the Russian administration as if they know more than what they're told?
  - jandrese 4y ago
    Unless there is some reason to believe that Russia has taken a complete 180 on election integrity I am going to assume that past behavior will continue.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    "the assumption that nothing said by Russia is true, and their future behavior will always be bad. " Based on their behavior over the last 10 years this is an extremely safe assumption. "and casually disregards anything that Russia says and any of Russia's stated concerns?" Because Russia lies, blatantly, obviously, and constantly.
willcipriano 4y ago
The part that doesn't make the US military industrial complex money and send countless young men into the meat grinder.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  what?
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    No war with Russia is bad for the likes of Halliburton and Raytheon, they are really struggling since they are accustomed to constant profits since 9/11, as matter of pure coincidence the US media conglomerates are also big fans of war and someone with a submarine is blowing up pipelines and ratcheting up tensions. If you paid any attention in 2001 you've heard this song before.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      Putin MUST not be allowed to win in Ukraine as that will just embolden him to take over more land.
      - CapricornNoble 4y ago
        Take over more land....where? Every other country on his western border is already in NATO, which will absolutely trigger an overwhelming US response, and given how his military is vastly underperforming expectations in Ukraine, even Russia's kleptocrat leadership knows they wouldn't stand a chance in such scenarios.
        HyperSane 4y ago
        "Take over more land....where" Moldova.
        willcipriano 4y ago
mepian 4y ago
The "Khrushchev’s mistake" part.
divan 4y ago
"Khrushchev’s mistake" is a uniquely russian narrative. No western historian would ever use this, you can only get this from russian propaganda sources like "Moskovskiy Komsomolets" or from someone who's influenced by it. I wonder where did Musk get this from. And what other memes of russian's version of history he got.

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The part where he repeats Russian propaganda points. Like when he says they should do "elections under UN supervision". In a region which just experienced mass deportation of it's habitants and mass migration of native russians, by force, in the last months. Also, he absolutely glosses over the fact that Russia blatantly broke the Budapest Memorandum. How can you trust them at all ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

GaylordTuring 4y ago
You’re not giving Musk enough credit. Do you think taking these things into account wasn’t part of his proposal? What do you think he would answer if he got a direct question about this part?
- drcongo 4y ago
  He literally revised his poll when he did get direct questions about it, because he obviously hadn't thought any of it through. Absolutely blows my mind how many little fanboys he has that will perform incredible feats of mental gymnastics just to lickspittle themselves at his feet.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Do you think taking these things into account wasn’t part of his proposal? I presume it was about as well thought-out as the original Twitter purchase offer.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Why would I give the fellow who hired a private investigator to smear and destroy a hero rescuing children because said hero wouldn't support his moronic submarine proposal the benefit of the doubt? How about the guy who is being sued to buy twitter way over face value because he decides the disposition of billions by tweet? The man is a fool who buys and takes credit for better men's work who got his start with apartheid money. He doesn't deserve credit or your hero worship.
neaden 4y ago
Also mass murder of its inhabitants.
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dralley 4y ago

The part where he referred to the country of Ukraine as "Khrushchev's mistake", for one.

jandrese 4y ago

redeeman 4y ago
so let me get this straight, when elon musk says the elections they had now cannot be trusted, and calls for new elections with UN observers, so that the result should be trustworthy, he is really just trying to legitimize the "elections" they already held? I can see I need a few words with my english teacher
pessimizer 4y ago
Great start for peace, the assumption that nothing said by Russia is true, and their future behavior will always be bad. You have no inside line, and no particular insight, what makes you so sure of what Russia thinks, what Russia wants, and what Russia will do, and casually disregards anything that Russia says and any of Russia's stated concerns? Why does everyone speculate about the inner states of Putin and the Russian administration as if they know more than what they're told?
- jandrese 4y ago
  Unless there is some reason to believe that Russia has taken a complete 180 on election integrity I am going to assume that past behavior will continue.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  "the assumption that nothing said by Russia is true, and their future behavior will always be bad. " Based on their behavior over the last 10 years this is an extremely safe assumption. "and casually disregards anything that Russia says and any of Russia's stated concerns?" Because Russia lies, blatantly, obviously, and constantly.

willcipriano 4y ago

The part that doesn't make the US military industrial complex money and send countless young men into the meat grinder.

HyperSane 4y ago
what?
- willcipriano 4y ago
  No war with Russia is bad for the likes of Halliburton and Raytheon, they are really struggling since they are accustomed to constant profits since 9/11, as matter of pure coincidence the US media conglomerates are also big fans of war and someone with a submarine is blowing up pipelines and ratcheting up tensions. If you paid any attention in 2001 you've heard this song before.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    Putin MUST not be allowed to win in Ukraine as that will just embolden him to take over more land.
    - CapricornNoble 4y ago
      Take over more land....where? Every other country on his western border is already in NATO, which will absolutely trigger an overwhelming US response, and given how his military is vastly underperforming expectations in Ukraine, even Russia's kleptocrat leadership knows they wouldn't stand a chance in such scenarios.
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        "Take over more land....where" Moldova.
        willcipriano 4y ago

mepian 4y ago

The "Khrushchev’s mistake" part.

divan 4y ago

"Khrushchev’s mistake" is a uniquely russian narrative. No western historian would ever use this, you can only get this from russian propaganda sources like "Moskovskiy Komsomolets" or from someone who's influenced by it. I wonder where did Musk get this from. And what other memes of russian's version of history he got.