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This is a great reminder that the LAPD is largely a bunch of thugs with badges and guns. I don’t mean that in a teenage angst “every cop is a thug” way, but in

This is a great reminder that the LAPD is largely a bunch of thugs with badges and guns. I don’t mean that in a teenage angst “every cop is a thug” way, but in a “raining federal convictions” way. [1][2] The current sheriff was a member of the “Grim Reapers” [3] and the battle against the thugs has been on going for fifty years [4] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Baca https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Baca [3] https://www.dailynews.com/2022/07/01/former-top-aide-to-villanueva-says-he-belonged-to-alleged-grim-reaper-deputy-gang/amp/ https://www.dailynews.com/2022/07/01/former-top-aide-to-vill... [4] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-...

CameronNemo 4y ago
LAPD and LASD are different orgs, but yeah they are probably both corrupt to the core. I know for a fact that there was a LASD gang called the Compton Executioners that excluded women and people of color.
- maratbn 4y ago
  damn, with a name like "Compton Executioners" I would be proud to be excluded
- akiselev 4y ago
  Great catch! As a long time resident of LA, few people make the distinction (I surely didn’t). The LAPD has its fair share of awfulness [1] but when the allegations are this bad it’s important not to paint every cop as guilty by association without evidence (and the evidence against the LASD is very strong) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
  - weaksauce 4y ago
    > paint every cop as guilty by association without evidence it was the LAPD that opened fire on two old ladies in a truck that was the wrong type and color in the middle of the day when they were trying to murder their colleague that put out a manifesto about how corrupt they were. Sure he was killing cops that he thought were corrupt but that's against the fold and a sign that they hold themselves to be unaccountable. dorner was the guy who they eventually burned to death in a cabin in the mountains. the old saying about the rotten apple is not that there is a rotten apple that is alone in the doings it's that the rotten apple spoils the barrel. you see one bad cop and if you don't have a system that stops that you will have a barrel full of rotten cops.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      > "[...] their colleague that put out a manifesto about how corrupt they were. Sure he was killing cops [...]" Dorner didn't just publish a manifesto and kill corrupt cops. He also murdered Monica Quan who's only 'fault' was being the daughter of a retired LAPD cop, and he murdered Keith Lawrence who's only crime was being Monica's fiance, with her when she was murdered. Your whitewashing Dorner for rhetorical effect to make the LAPD look worse. Don't do that. The truth is bad enough, it doesn't need to be 'enhanced'.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        He published a manifesto and killed cops. These are incontrovertible facts. I see nothing "whitewashing" Dorner. It's utterly bizarre to see every time someone mentions Dorner's killings or manifesto, people come out of the woodwork to make sure we don't defend the honor or whitewash Dorner or whatever perceived sin you see of accidently somehow not saying enough bad things about Dorner.
        MichaelCollins 4y ago
        The whitewashing is weaksauce's failure to mention that Dorner was also killing people who weren't police. This whitewashing was done for rhetorical effect, to make the LAPD seem worse by making Dorner seem better. This is completely unnecessary, because the facts of the case are already bad enough for the LAPD.
daveslash 4y ago
Regarding your link [3]... There's a paragraph that starts: "“Why would a group of deputies who are charged with protecting people from violence and upholding the law choose a symbol of death?” he asked. Del Mese replied that he didn’t know." Reminds me of: "Have you looked at our caps lately? .... They've got _skulls_ on them. Are we the baddies?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  Also don't forget the recent-ish trend of "cops with Punisher logos."
  - Kye 4y ago
    It's like when fortunate sons play Fortunate Son at political rallies. Or when people get mad about Rage Against The Machine getting political. I'm not one to gatekeep comics, but they should at least skim the wiki to see the Punisher's origin story.
    - mywittyname 4y ago
      Granted, I'm not super into comic books. But the Pushisher is a vigilante that likes to solve crime in a pretty brutal way. And, IIRC, he doesn't necessarily care if the person is guilty, only that he thinks that they are "bad" in some way, and for that, they deserve whatever torture and brutality he dishes out. Cops flying a Punisher flag is not ironic, it's on the nose. Everyone gets that he represents the brutality of the justice system. It's just that most people in the justice system don't see his behavior as a fault or criticism; just reality.
      - OOPMan 4y ago
        No, if you've read the Garth Ennis run of The Punisher then you would know that cops wearing punisher shirts is completely misunderstanding the character. Like a lot of people, you have an idea of the character which is not the definitive version of the character. If you read the Punisher and you come away from it thinking that vigilantism, murder and so forth is good then there is probably something very wrong with you.
pugio 4y ago
Coincidentally, the latest episode of The Rookie (S05E02 - a show which portrays the LAPD as highly caring/moral) was partially about a group of dirty cops. Essentially the good cops were (sheriff plus deputies) like: "Cops can hang out together all they want, but as soon as they give themselves (their group) a name, they are destined for jail. 'Never fails'." Great show, funny how that works out. I'm sorry that it isn't remotely accurate it seems (when it comes to the rest of the cast).
president 4y ago
Throughout the years I'm learning that all of our leaders and major institutions are corrupt and flawed. We're just lucky that there was enough wealth to go around to placate people in the past few decades but now we're reaching a point where there isn't and people aren't happy and won't be happy until a major shift happens.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  There's an ancillary realization that comes with this, and that is the fact that many of us are actively building a security state via tech that will enforce the status quo more effectively than any other system in history has, and it won't matter how many people want change after that.
  - sheepdestroyer 4y ago
    Auxiliary? I guess "Ancillary" is not what you meant.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      Yeah, I have no idea what happened there, looks like an autocomplete flub.
mmastrac 4y ago
Of all the places with some background on the LAPD, "O.J.: Made in America" from 2016 covered the major race-relations problems the LAPD had in the 20th century. It was pretty eye-opening. I'd be interested to know if there are any documentaries focused purely on the LAPD, however.
miguelazo 4y ago
Knock LA has done much of the original research and reporting on this issue. https://knock-la.com/tag/lasd/ https://knock-la.com/tag/lasd/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/
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CameronNemo 4y ago

LAPD and LASD are different orgs, but yeah they are probably both corrupt to the core. I know for a fact that there was a LASD gang called the Compton Executioners that excluded women and people of color.

maratbn 4y ago
damn, with a name like "Compton Executioners" I would be proud to be excluded
akiselev 4y ago
Great catch! As a long time resident of LA, few people make the distinction (I surely didn’t). The LAPD has its fair share of awfulness [1] but when the allegations are this bad it’s important not to paint every cop as guilty by association without evidence (and the evidence against the LASD is very strong) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
- weaksauce 4y ago
  > paint every cop as guilty by association without evidence it was the LAPD that opened fire on two old ladies in a truck that was the wrong type and color in the middle of the day when they were trying to murder their colleague that put out a manifesto about how corrupt they were. Sure he was killing cops that he thought were corrupt but that's against the fold and a sign that they hold themselves to be unaccountable. dorner was the guy who they eventually burned to death in a cabin in the mountains. the old saying about the rotten apple is not that there is a rotten apple that is alone in the doings it's that the rotten apple spoils the barrel. you see one bad cop and if you don't have a system that stops that you will have a barrel full of rotten cops.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    > "[...] their colleague that put out a manifesto about how corrupt they were. Sure he was killing cops [...]" Dorner didn't just publish a manifesto and kill corrupt cops. He also murdered Monica Quan who's only 'fault' was being the daughter of a retired LAPD cop, and he murdered Keith Lawrence who's only crime was being Monica's fiance, with her when she was murdered. Your whitewashing Dorner for rhetorical effect to make the LAPD look worse. Don't do that. The truth is bad enough, it doesn't need to be 'enhanced'.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      He published a manifesto and killed cops. These are incontrovertible facts. I see nothing "whitewashing" Dorner. It's utterly bizarre to see every time someone mentions Dorner's killings or manifesto, people come out of the woodwork to make sure we don't defend the honor or whitewash Dorner or whatever perceived sin you see of accidently somehow not saying enough bad things about Dorner.
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        The whitewashing is weaksauce's failure to mention that Dorner was also killing people who weren't police. This whitewashing was done for rhetorical effect, to make the LAPD seem worse by making Dorner seem better. This is completely unnecessary, because the facts of the case are already bad enough for the LAPD.

daveslash 4y ago

Regarding your link [3]... There's a paragraph that starts: "“Why would a group of deputies who are charged with protecting people from violence and upholding the law choose a symbol of death?” he asked. Del Mese replied that he didn’t know." Reminds me of: "Have you looked at our caps lately? .... They've got _skulls_ on them. Are we the baddies?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

fknorangesite 4y ago
Also don't forget the recent-ish trend of "cops with Punisher logos."
- Kye 4y ago
  It's like when fortunate sons play Fortunate Son at political rallies. Or when people get mad about Rage Against The Machine getting political. I'm not one to gatekeep comics, but they should at least skim the wiki to see the Punisher's origin story.
  - mywittyname 4y ago
    Granted, I'm not super into comic books. But the Pushisher is a vigilante that likes to solve crime in a pretty brutal way. And, IIRC, he doesn't necessarily care if the person is guilty, only that he thinks that they are "bad" in some way, and for that, they deserve whatever torture and brutality he dishes out. Cops flying a Punisher flag is not ironic, it's on the nose. Everyone gets that he represents the brutality of the justice system. It's just that most people in the justice system don't see his behavior as a fault or criticism; just reality.
    - OOPMan 4y ago
      No, if you've read the Garth Ennis run of The Punisher then you would know that cops wearing punisher shirts is completely misunderstanding the character. Like a lot of people, you have an idea of the character which is not the definitive version of the character. If you read the Punisher and you come away from it thinking that vigilantism, murder and so forth is good then there is probably something very wrong with you.

pugio 4y ago

Coincidentally, the latest episode of The Rookie (S05E02 - a show which portrays the LAPD as highly caring/moral) was partially about a group of dirty cops. Essentially the good cops were (sheriff plus deputies) like: "Cops can hang out together all they want, but as soon as they give themselves (their group) a name, they are destined for jail. 'Never fails'." Great show, funny how that works out. I'm sorry that it isn't remotely accurate it seems (when it comes to the rest of the cast).

president 4y ago

Throughout the years I'm learning that all of our leaders and major institutions are corrupt and flawed. We're just lucky that there was enough wealth to go around to placate people in the past few decades but now we're reaching a point where there isn't and people aren't happy and won't be happy until a major shift happens.

heavyset_go 4y ago
There's an ancillary realization that comes with this, and that is the fact that many of us are actively building a security state via tech that will enforce the status quo more effectively than any other system in history has, and it won't matter how many people want change after that.
- sheepdestroyer 4y ago
  Auxiliary? I guess "Ancillary" is not what you meant.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Yeah, I have no idea what happened there, looks like an autocomplete flub.

mmastrac 4y ago

Of all the places with some background on the LAPD, "O.J.: Made in America" from 2016 covered the major race-relations problems the LAPD had in the 20th century. It was pretty eye-opening. I'd be interested to know if there are any documentaries focused purely on the LAPD, however.

miguelazo 4y ago

Knock LA has done much of the original research and reporting on this issue. https://knock-la.com/tag/lasd/ https://knock-la.com/tag/lasd/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/

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