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They also conveniently keep volunteers and churches from feeding the homeless, so subsidized corporations can handle that. One needs only to taste legit French

They also conveniently keep volunteers and churches from feeding the homeless, so subsidized corporations can handle that. One needs only to taste legit French cheese, compared with, say, Austrian manufactured French cheese, to know food quality laws have little to do with actual food quality, and Austria has one of the strictest food legal systems in the World.

cgrealy 4y ago
Food laws are about safety, not taste.
wpietri 4y ago
> One needs only to taste legit French cheese, Not sure how you got from food safety to how much you like the taste of particular cheese, but to me they're very different problems. I'm only talking about food safety. > They also conveniently keep volunteers and churches from feeding the homeless, so subsidized corporations can handle that. Not generally, but perhaps in your area. Where I am there are special exemptions for charitable organizations giving out food: https://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/lscfo.asp https://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/lscfo.asp There are still some requirements, which I think is good. Nobody, homeless people included, should receive unsafe food.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Real French cheese is made from raw milk, which is banned under USA food safety laws. It is objectively much tastier than the pasteurized stuff, and nobody dies from eating it.
  - 9991 4y ago
    Ah, yes, taste, the most objective of the senses ...
    - Xeoncross 4y ago
      'the dress' would like a word with you
  - lmm 4y ago
    In France around three people per year die from eating it. It's seen as an acceptable cost.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    It may be subjectively more tasty, but it's objectively more dangerous. E.g: https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/05/what-are-the-odds-840-times-more-likely-for-raw-milk-drinkers/ https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/05/what-are-the-odds-840... https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.htm... But this all seems pretty far afield from my point, which is that food safety laws benefit the poor. I am happy to believe that some dangerous food, like casu martzu or blowfish sushi, is also very tasty. But taking risks for exotic, connoisseur food experiences is also generally the provenance of the rich. So it seems like this also proves my point.
WesternWind 4y ago
Could you link me to something showing that that's an issue? Because the issues people run into as volunteers that I've hard about tend to be city ordinances, not state or federal food safety requirements. Further I'm aware of Food Not Bombs winning a case by claiming an expressive first amendment right to share food.
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
  This is just one of many ordinances countrywide, that was fought during #OperationFeedTheHomeless https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-homeless-feedings-arrests-20110601-story.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-homeless-feedi... Though local ordinances, they require certified and licensed establishments, so it still rolls back to the original issue.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    At least in this case, it is not done through food safety laws. They specifically ban "group feeding". From the article: "It requires groups to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per year for each park within a 2-mile radius of City Hall".

cgrealy 4y ago

Food laws are about safety, not taste.

wpietri 4y ago

> One needs only to taste legit French cheese, Not sure how you got from food safety to how much you like the taste of particular cheese, but to me they're very different problems. I'm only talking about food safety. > They also conveniently keep volunteers and churches from feeding the homeless, so subsidized corporations can handle that. Not generally, but perhaps in your area. Where I am there are special exemptions for charitable organizations giving out food: https://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/lscfo.asp https://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/lscfo.asp There are still some requirements, which I think is good. Nobody, homeless people included, should receive unsafe food.

bitwize 4y ago
Real French cheese is made from raw milk, which is banned under USA food safety laws. It is objectively much tastier than the pasteurized stuff, and nobody dies from eating it.
- 9991 4y ago
  Ah, yes, taste, the most objective of the senses ...
  - Xeoncross 4y ago
    'the dress' would like a word with you
- lmm 4y ago
  In France around three people per year die from eating it. It's seen as an acceptable cost.
- wpietri 4y ago
  It may be subjectively more tasty, but it's objectively more dangerous. E.g: https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/05/what-are-the-odds-840-times-more-likely-for-raw-milk-drinkers/ https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/05/what-are-the-odds-840... https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.htm... But this all seems pretty far afield from my point, which is that food safety laws benefit the poor. I am happy to believe that some dangerous food, like casu martzu or blowfish sushi, is also very tasty. But taking risks for exotic, connoisseur food experiences is also generally the provenance of the rich. So it seems like this also proves my point.

WesternWind 4y ago

Could you link me to something showing that that's an issue? Because the issues people run into as volunteers that I've hard about tend to be city ordinances, not state or federal food safety requirements. Further I'm aware of Food Not Bombs winning a case by claiming an expressive first amendment right to share food.

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
This is just one of many ordinances countrywide, that was fought during #OperationFeedTheHomeless https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-homeless-feedings-arrests-20110601-story.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-homeless-feedi... Though local ordinances, they require certified and licensed establishments, so it still rolls back to the original issue.
- wpietri 4y ago
  At least in this case, it is not done through food safety laws. They specifically ban "group feeding". From the article: "It requires groups to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per year for each park within a 2-mile radius of City Hall".