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> If you apply to XYZ Corp in any random city or town, they will have “bachelors in computer science or related degree” in the requirements section of the job p

> If you apply to XYZ Corp in any random city or town, they will have “bachelors in computer science or related degree” in the requirements section of the job posting. Of course, the purpose of a job advertisement is to compel workers to apply. Companies don't write "bachelors degree" because they expect you to have a bachelors degree, they make note it because if you have a bachelors degree it will pique your interest: "Wait, I have a bachelors degree! I should apply." One of those fun marketing tricks.

kube-system 4y ago
Parts of job posting are marketing, especially the unquantifiable parts. Other parts are real indicators of what they’ll filter incoming applications by. Education and experience are absolutely quantifiable indicators that recruiters or HR will often filter by before that resume lands on the desk of a hiring manager.
- randomdata 4y ago
  > Other parts are real indicators of what they’ll filter incoming applications by. That may end up being incidentally true, but not the reason for sharing that information on the job ad. After all, there would be no reason for HR to apply said filters if the posting was prescriptive. It is there merely to grab your attention. It is kind of like prices on product advertisements. If you fail to successfully barter with the merchant you very well may pay the price listed on the ad, but the price isn't listed as a commandment of what you will pay, but rather it is listed in order to capture your attention. "Huh, that's not a bad price. I should buy that." It's a marketing trick, is all. That said, these days everyone has transitioned to "Bachelors degree or equivalent experience" so even if HR does hold firm to what the ad says, they aren't filtering by bachelor degrees anyway. That is a long outdated relic of the past that isn't subscribed to anymore as it has been realized that the 'indicator' doesn't actually indicate anything.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    > After all, there would be no reason for HR to apply said filters if the posting was prescriptive. HR also doesn't want to spend all day sorting through garbage resumes. Some use resume parsing software (or form fields) to do this sorting for them, in which case, it is effectively prescriptive. > these days everyone has transitioned to "Bachelors degree or equivalent experience" Most tech companies hiring rank-and-file software developers, maybe. Definitely not every job. Pick your favorite job posting site and look at mid or upper management positions -- few accept "equivalent experience".
    - randomdata 4y ago
      > Some use resume parsing software (or form fields) to do this sorting for them, in which case, it is effectively prescriptive. It's not, though. Clearly the resumes which don't meet expectations are arriving, else filtering would be unnecessary. So obviously nobody actually pays attention to the "requirements" as anything more than what they are: A marketing gimmick. And why would they? It's like the price on the product ad. You are still going to try and get a better deal. Just because someone suggested something to grab your attention does not set it in stone. > Pick your favorite job posting site and look at mid or upper management positions I'm not well versed in the best places to look, but I gave it a shot. Here are a couple I could find from companies I've heard of before. * H&R Block - VP of Information Technology: "Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science or related field or equivalent combination of education and work experience." But maybe we need to look beyond tech. * World Wildlife Fund (WWF) – Vice President: "Post-secondary degree in science or policy fields relevant to conservation, or comparable work experience." A similar story for companies I've never heard of held true, but fly-by-nights seem less relevant so I omit them here. Maybe VP isn't upper management enough?

kube-system 4y ago

Parts of job posting are marketing, especially the unquantifiable parts. Other parts are real indicators of what they’ll filter incoming applications by. Education and experience are absolutely quantifiable indicators that recruiters or HR will often filter by before that resume lands on the desk of a hiring manager.

randomdata 4y ago
> Other parts are real indicators of what they’ll filter incoming applications by. That may end up being incidentally true, but not the reason for sharing that information on the job ad. After all, there would be no reason for HR to apply said filters if the posting was prescriptive. It is there merely to grab your attention. It is kind of like prices on product advertisements. If you fail to successfully barter with the merchant you very well may pay the price listed on the ad, but the price isn't listed as a commandment of what you will pay, but rather it is listed in order to capture your attention. "Huh, that's not a bad price. I should buy that." It's a marketing trick, is all. That said, these days everyone has transitioned to "Bachelors degree or equivalent experience" so even if HR does hold firm to what the ad says, they aren't filtering by bachelor degrees anyway. That is a long outdated relic of the past that isn't subscribed to anymore as it has been realized that the 'indicator' doesn't actually indicate anything.
- kube-system 4y ago
  > After all, there would be no reason for HR to apply said filters if the posting was prescriptive. HR also doesn't want to spend all day sorting through garbage resumes. Some use resume parsing software (or form fields) to do this sorting for them, in which case, it is effectively prescriptive. > these days everyone has transitioned to "Bachelors degree or equivalent experience" Most tech companies hiring rank-and-file software developers, maybe. Definitely not every job. Pick your favorite job posting site and look at mid or upper management positions -- few accept "equivalent experience".
  - randomdata 4y ago
    > Some use resume parsing software (or form fields) to do this sorting for them, in which case, it is effectively prescriptive. It's not, though. Clearly the resumes which don't meet expectations are arriving, else filtering would be unnecessary. So obviously nobody actually pays attention to the "requirements" as anything more than what they are: A marketing gimmick. And why would they? It's like the price on the product ad. You are still going to try and get a better deal. Just because someone suggested something to grab your attention does not set it in stone. > Pick your favorite job posting site and look at mid or upper management positions I'm not well versed in the best places to look, but I gave it a shot. Here are a couple I could find from companies I've heard of before. * H&R Block - VP of Information Technology: "Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science or related field or equivalent combination of education and work experience." But maybe we need to look beyond tech. * World Wildlife Fund (WWF) – Vice President: "Post-secondary degree in science or policy fields relevant to conservation, or comparable work experience." A similar story for companies I've never heard of held true, but fly-by-nights seem less relevant so I omit them here. Maybe VP isn't upper management enough?