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> If you look at their Youtube channel [1] pretty much every OIS and LERI video does have body cam and/or dashcam footage. Am I reading this wrong or is this a

by aqme28 4y ago

> If you look at their Youtube channel [1] pretty much every OIS and LERI video does have body cam and/or dashcam footage. Am I reading this wrong or is this a very biased sample? Of course videos are more likely to have video.

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hitpointdrew 4y ago
"Look all the videos they posted are, in fact, videos!" Doesn't say a lick about what they omitted from YouTube.
modriano 4y ago
In video footage that shows a lot of other officers, you can see if they're wearing BWCs. When there's an Officer Involved Shooting, all cops in the area are going to rush to the spot (as the shooting officer should have been in danger), so you should be able to see a lot of officers wearing BWCs. I don't know if LAPD releases much of that BWC footage in unedited form, but where I live (Chicago), a civilian oversight board reviews use-of-force incidents and makes BWC footage and other materials public [0], and in my experience as a homicide researcher for UChicago, officers were initially skeptical of BWCs, but now they consider them a valuable piece of personal protective equipment, as they are often exonerated by their BWC footage. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/
Rebelgecko 4y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "critical incident videos" have a 1:1 relationship with critical incidents, not with body cam videos. Every critical incident has a video. Even if there's no body cam video of the actual shooting, police are still obligated to produce a video containing 911 calls, radio calls, body cams from responding officers, etc. I do not know of a "critical incident" that doesn't have a corresponding video (except for deaths in prisons and negligent discharges that don't result in injury). If there's no actual media to go with it, they'll still show a talking head reading a statement listing off the address and police version of the narrative (you can see examples if you look at LASD, since they've halfassed their body cam deployment). I'm curious to hear if you know of any exceptions (excluding events within the last 45 days or so, before the deadline). LAPD releases a list of all of the critical incidents and the videos, so should be easy to cross reference and see if anything is missing.

by aqme28 4y ago

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hitpointdrew 4y ago

"Look all the videos they posted are, in fact, videos!" Doesn't say a lick about what they omitted from YouTube.

modriano 4y ago

In video footage that shows a lot of other officers, you can see if they're wearing BWCs. When there's an Officer Involved Shooting, all cops in the area are going to rush to the spot (as the shooting officer should have been in danger), so you should be able to see a lot of officers wearing BWCs. I don't know if LAPD releases much of that BWC footage in unedited form, but where I live (Chicago), a civilian oversight board reviews use-of-force incidents and makes BWC footage and other materials public [0], and in my experience as a homicide researcher for UChicago, officers were initially skeptical of BWCs, but now they consider them a valuable piece of personal protective equipment, as they are often exonerated by their BWC footage. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/

Rebelgecko 4y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "critical incident videos" have a 1:1 relationship with critical incidents, not with body cam videos. Every critical incident has a video. Even if there's no body cam video of the actual shooting, police are still obligated to produce a video containing 911 calls, radio calls, body cams from responding officers, etc. I do not know of a "critical incident" that doesn't have a corresponding video (except for deaths in prisons and negligent discharges that don't result in injury). If there's no actual media to go with it, they'll still show a talking head reading a statement listing off the address and police version of the narrative (you can see examples if you look at LASD, since they've halfassed their body cam deployment). I'm curious to hear if you know of any exceptions (excluding events within the last 45 days or so, before the deadline). LAPD releases a list of all of the critical incidents and the videos, so should be easy to cross reference and see if anything is missing.