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>When something happens, conveniently the video footage that should exist, magically doesn't. IMO LAPD is actually pretty good about using body cams when they'

>When something happens, conveniently the video footage that should exist, magically doesn't. IMO LAPD is actually pretty good about using body cams when they're supposed to. Way better than LASD and other law enforcement agencies in the area. In California they're required to release footage (if it exists) after every OIS (officer involved shooting) or LERI (law enforcement something injury, like if a cop hurts someone without shooting them via tazing/dog/baton/bean bag/punches). If you look at their Youtube channel [1] pretty much every OIS and LERI video does have body cam and/or dashcam footage. The events that don't are mostly compliant with their policy (although it sounds like their policy should be amended to include training activities. Both for safety and to make the training more realistic). When I looked at a sampling of 30 LAPD incidents, 28 of them had body cam footage recording during the incident. The two that didn't involved off-duty officers[2] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1/videos [2]: Here's the videos if you want to see for yourself, but FYI the first one shows some unpleasant aftermath: Attempted car theft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgESIr-MIUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgESIr-MIUg Cop shoots at someone after a drive-by on his neighbor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXWJIX2rL4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXWJIX2rL4Y

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ouid 4y ago
being good at using bodycams is damning if there is no footage.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  I don't follow, or maybe I was unclear. I think LAPD is good about following their body cam policy in situations where they're required to use body cams (like when driving around town). Even in cases where the video makes LAPD look criminally bad (like the situation a year or two ago where a cop beat someone up in Boyle Heights for calling him names), the video doesn't "go missing" or "experience file corruption" or anything like that. However that doesn't imply anything about situations where they aren't required to use body cams.
  - ouid 4y ago
    If i am a cop going to commit murder, i'm going to turn my body cam off. If my body cam is off, this is one of the possible explanations. If there are fewer other explanations for my body cam being off, then it is more likely that it was because i was committing murder than in the other case
aqme28 4y ago
> If you look at their Youtube channel [1] pretty much every OIS and LERI video does have body cam and/or dashcam footage. Am I reading this wrong or is this a very biased sample? Of course videos are more likely to have video.
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- hitpointdrew 4y ago
  "Look all the videos they posted are, in fact, videos!" Doesn't say a lick about what they omitted from YouTube.
- modriano 4y ago
  In video footage that shows a lot of other officers, you can see if they're wearing BWCs. When there's an Officer Involved Shooting, all cops in the area are going to rush to the spot (as the shooting officer should have been in danger), so you should be able to see a lot of officers wearing BWCs. I don't know if LAPD releases much of that BWC footage in unedited form, but where I live (Chicago), a civilian oversight board reviews use-of-force incidents and makes BWC footage and other materials public [0], and in my experience as a homicide researcher for UChicago, officers were initially skeptical of BWCs, but now they consider them a valuable piece of personal protective equipment, as they are often exonerated by their BWC footage. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but "critical incident videos" have a 1:1 relationship with critical incidents, not with body cam videos. Every critical incident has a video. Even if there's no body cam video of the actual shooting, police are still obligated to produce a video containing 911 calls, radio calls, body cams from responding officers, etc. I do not know of a "critical incident" that doesn't have a corresponding video (except for deaths in prisons and negligent discharges that don't result in injury). If there's no actual media to go with it, they'll still show a talking head reading a statement listing off the address and police version of the narrative (you can see examples if you look at LASD, since they've halfassed their body cam deployment). I'm curious to hear if you know of any exceptions (excluding events within the last 45 days or so, before the deadline). LAPD releases a list of all of the critical incidents and the videos, so should be easy to cross reference and see if anything is missing.
nonameiguess 4y ago
Probably every law enforcement agency in a first-world nation looks good if you compare it to the LA County Sheriff's Department, seemingly best known for their gangs, my own crowning memories being the deputy assigned to my high school selling drugs to students and my dad once getting cited for parking more than 18 inches from the curb at the end of a cul-de-sac at which our house was the only one, so the only traffic we could have conceivably impeded was ourselves.

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ouid 4y ago

being good at using bodycams is damning if there is no footage.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
I don't follow, or maybe I was unclear. I think LAPD is good about following their body cam policy in situations where they're required to use body cams (like when driving around town). Even in cases where the video makes LAPD look criminally bad (like the situation a year or two ago where a cop beat someone up in Boyle Heights for calling him names), the video doesn't "go missing" or "experience file corruption" or anything like that. However that doesn't imply anything about situations where they aren't required to use body cams.
- ouid 4y ago
  If i am a cop going to commit murder, i'm going to turn my body cam off. If my body cam is off, this is one of the possible explanations. If there are fewer other explanations for my body cam being off, then it is more likely that it was because i was committing murder than in the other case

aqme28 4y ago

> If you look at their Youtube channel [1] pretty much every OIS and LERI video does have body cam and/or dashcam footage. Am I reading this wrong or is this a very biased sample? Of course videos are more likely to have video.

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hitpointdrew 4y ago
"Look all the videos they posted are, in fact, videos!" Doesn't say a lick about what they omitted from YouTube.
modriano 4y ago
In video footage that shows a lot of other officers, you can see if they're wearing BWCs. When there's an Officer Involved Shooting, all cops in the area are going to rush to the spot (as the shooting officer should have been in danger), so you should be able to see a lot of officers wearing BWCs. I don't know if LAPD releases much of that BWC footage in unedited form, but where I live (Chicago), a civilian oversight board reviews use-of-force incidents and makes BWC footage and other materials public [0], and in my experience as a homicide researcher for UChicago, officers were initially skeptical of BWCs, but now they consider them a valuable piece of personal protective equipment, as they are often exonerated by their BWC footage. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/
Rebelgecko 4y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "critical incident videos" have a 1:1 relationship with critical incidents, not with body cam videos. Every critical incident has a video. Even if there's no body cam video of the actual shooting, police are still obligated to produce a video containing 911 calls, radio calls, body cams from responding officers, etc. I do not know of a "critical incident" that doesn't have a corresponding video (except for deaths in prisons and negligent discharges that don't result in injury). If there's no actual media to go with it, they'll still show a talking head reading a statement listing off the address and police version of the narrative (you can see examples if you look at LASD, since they've halfassed their body cam deployment). I'm curious to hear if you know of any exceptions (excluding events within the last 45 days or so, before the deadline). LAPD releases a list of all of the critical incidents and the videos, so should be easy to cross reference and see if anything is missing.

nonameiguess 4y ago

Probably every law enforcement agency in a first-world nation looks good if you compare it to the LA County Sheriff's Department, seemingly best known for their gangs, my own crowning memories being the deputy assigned to my high school selling drugs to students and my dad once getting cited for parking more than 18 inches from the curb at the end of a cul-de-sac at which our house was the only one, so the only traffic we could have conceivably impeded was ourselves.