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As an amateur grappler, I don’t find it plausible those injuries would be suffered accidentally.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
CPR causes injuries. Half of the injuries are likely tied to the CPR. The other half may or may not be related to the training event fall, or intentional violence.
- germinalphrase 4y ago
  Sure. There could be entirely ‘reasonable’ reasons for these injuries, but my smell test indicates that more questions are in order.
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  > Half of the injuries are likely tied to the CPR. That's going to need some more review. As a paramedic, I've performed CPR more than 400+ times. In less than 5 of them were any ribs broken. Usually on frail elderly people. Separation from the sternum is far more common, but will (apropos of other issues) cause bruising and a painful cough for a couple of weeks. Laceration of the liver? Only once. Also on someone more elderly. Certainly not impossible. But even with five or more firefighters pounding on someone's chest for 10-20 minutes or more, these injuries are rare - let alone all of them in one patient. These cops must have been trying to drive his ribs through the floor with their compressions.
  - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
    > As a paramedic, I've performed CPR more than 400+ times. In less than 5 of them were any ribs broken. Usually on frail elderly people Unlike comparison. You're a paramedic, and at 400 times, I'd say you are an expert. Highly doubt cops get that much experience.
treis 4y ago
It would be a freak accident for sure. But then a beating that breaks the spinal cord and other bones should leave many other obvious marks. And it doesn't sound like these were the only two cops there. I can see a wall of silence or a couple cops taking out another. But for random cops at a training exercise to sit there while one gets beaten to death seems to be quite a stretch.
diordiderot 4y ago
I've broken a rib (tenth) from an over under head and arm toss thrown by a 220lb-er in practice. Broken rib to liver laceration makes sense. Even a broken neck is plausible, but everything together... I don't know

CPR causes injuries. Half of the injuries are likely tied to the CPR. The other half may or may not be related to the training event fall, or intentional violence.

germinalphrase 4y ago
Sure. There could be entirely ‘reasonable’ reasons for these injuries, but my smell test indicates that more questions are in order.
FireBeyond 4y ago
> Half of the injuries are likely tied to the CPR. That's going to need some more review. As a paramedic, I've performed CPR more than 400+ times. In less than 5 of them were any ribs broken. Usually on frail elderly people. Separation from the sternum is far more common, but will (apropos of other issues) cause bruising and a painful cough for a couple of weeks. Laceration of the liver? Only once. Also on someone more elderly. Certainly not impossible. But even with five or more firefighters pounding on someone's chest for 10-20 minutes or more, these injuries are rare - let alone all of them in one patient. These cops must have been trying to drive his ribs through the floor with their compressions.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  > As a paramedic, I've performed CPR more than 400+ times. In less than 5 of them were any ribs broken. Usually on frail elderly people Unlike comparison. You're a paramedic, and at 400 times, I'd say you are an expert. Highly doubt cops get that much experience.

treis 4y ago

It would be a freak accident for sure. But then a beating that breaks the spinal cord and other bones should leave many other obvious marks. And it doesn't sound like these were the only two cops there. I can see a wall of silence or a couple cops taking out another. But for random cops at a training exercise to sit there while one gets beaten to death seems to be quite a stretch.

diordiderot 4y ago

I've broken a rib (tenth) from an over under head and arm toss thrown by a 220lb-er in practice. Broken rib to liver laceration makes sense. Even a broken neck is plausible, but everything together... I don't know