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Tired of (or from) what? With the major exception of the pandemic/remote work, the world is not markedly different than it was in 2013 or 2003. What makes it s

by pc86 4y ago

Tired of (or from) what? With the major exception of the pandemic/remote work, the world is not markedly different than it was in 2013 or 2003. What makes it seems like 2023 is so different?

warner25 4y ago
I read this kind of sentiment often and I wonder the same thing. I mean, I'm much more tired (physically and emotionally stressed) than I was in 2013 or 2003, but I'm also 10-20 years older with 10-20 years of accumulated baggage and responsibilities. I think some people might forget that fact.
realce 4y ago
> the world is not markedly different than it was in 2013 or 2003. What makes it seems like 2023 is so different? Nothing seems to be very different for the last 20 years, which also means things aren't getting any better. That's tiring.
- pc86 4y ago
  What "things" are you talking about, and most importantly, how is that "tiring" beyond just getting older? Any time I hear someone talk about how everyone is tired now and they weren't before it smacks of "I'm the main character" syndrome in that they're going through the same thing every generation on Earth has gone through for millennia - getting older - but suddenly it's a crisis because it's them going through it.
yupper32 4y ago
Why exclude the pandemic/remote work? But to exclude it for a bit, my personal, super anecdotal and biased view is that those years were very different. 2003 had low hope for a better future, but there was a lot of action in the fallout of 9/11. It felt like we were at least trying, even if it ended up being a horrible try. 2013 I felt hope for a better future, but there wasn't a lot of action to make that a reality. 2023 and there's zero hope for a better future and we're doing nothing about it. We need at least hope or action.
- dntrkv 4y ago
  It depends on what you think is important, but there is a lot more happening today in addressing our problems than back in 2013 or 2003, imo. I think many can agree that climate change is one of the higher priority efforts, and in the last few years, we've seen some major progress. In the US, renewables make up the vast majority of new generating capacity, by far and solar deployments are growing at a rapid pace. We were still deploying significant amounts of coal plants 10 years ago, nowadays, it's basically zero. [https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-research-data https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-research-data]. China has doubled its solar deployments in the last year. Wind deployments are accelerating [https://www.iea.org/reports/wind-electricity https://www.iea.org/reports/wind-electricity] EVs are gaining marketshare at a fast pace, many countries/states are banning ICE sales in the near future. [https://www.virta.global/en/global-electric-vehicle-market https://www.virta.global/en/global-electric-vehicle-market] Cost of lithium batteries has fallen by 89% since 2010 [https://cleanpower.org/facts/clean-energy-storage/ https://cleanpower.org/facts/clean-energy-storage/] US passed the IRA which has the potential to really accelerate these changes. Still not enough of course, but we are seeing significant progress compared to 2013.
pcorsaro 4y ago
I run a small business that sells supplies to restaurants and other small businesses. Everyone I deal with is busier than they've ever been with less help than they've ever had. Hardly anyone has been able to take a vacation for 3 years now. There's a multitude of things going on that are drastically different than 10 or 20 years ago. There's a schism being created in this world with the work from home crowd being one side, and the warehouse/foodservice crowd on the other side. The warehouse side has a huge demand, in part because of the pandemic, and also in part because of the work from home crowd not leaving their house as much. None of the restaurants can afford to pay what the warehouse jobs are paying. The number of people willing to work in the food industry is lower than I've ever seen it.
- defterGoose 4y ago
  >There's a schism being created in this world with the work from home crowd being one side, and the warehouse/foodservice crowd on the other side. Totally agree, and it's good to know that anyone besides myself sees it. For me personally, I'm educated and know I have the skills to be on that first side of the divide, but it makes me feel very nervous/sad, because I know a lot of the stuff going on at the lower-wage end of the scale is unsustainable, and it makes me very worried for the future of our society. In the sense of how modern people want to live their lives, people in the service industries are extremely undervalued, and everyone deserves a fair wage for fair work and the ability to live in a dignified way. I complain about everyone expecting a tip on their POS terminals and prices constantly rising, but in the spirit of my above point, they probably deserve it. We need a return to sanity regarding the returns of being a business owner.
  - pcorsaro 4y ago
    > I complain about everyone expecting a tip on their POS terminals and prices constantly rising, but in the spirit of my above point, they probably deserve it. This is also a huge complaint of mine in specific situations. If I go to an NBA game or concert, buy a beer for $12, and the POS has a tip thing, I want to scream. I want to scream at the vending group to just pay the people more money. The profit margin on the beer is insane, give your workers some of the money rather than try to pass the buck on to the consumer you’re already gouging.

by pc86 4y ago

Tired of (or from) what? With the major exception of the pandemic/remote work, the world is not markedly different than it was in 2013 or 2003. What makes it seems like 2023 is so different?

warner25 4y ago

I read this kind of sentiment often and I wonder the same thing. I mean, I'm much more tired (physically and emotionally stressed) than I was in 2013 or 2003, but I'm also 10-20 years older with 10-20 years of accumulated baggage and responsibilities. I think some people might forget that fact.

realce 4y ago

> the world is not markedly different than it was in 2013 or 2003. What makes it seems like 2023 is so different? Nothing seems to be very different for the last 20 years, which also means things aren't getting any better. That's tiring.

pc86 4y ago
What "things" are you talking about, and most importantly, how is that "tiring" beyond just getting older? Any time I hear someone talk about how everyone is tired now and they weren't before it smacks of "I'm the main character" syndrome in that they're going through the same thing every generation on Earth has gone through for millennia - getting older - but suddenly it's a crisis because it's them going through it.

yupper32 4y ago

Why exclude the pandemic/remote work? But to exclude it for a bit, my personal, super anecdotal and biased view is that those years were very different. 2003 had low hope for a better future, but there was a lot of action in the fallout of 9/11. It felt like we were at least trying, even if it ended up being a horrible try. 2013 I felt hope for a better future, but there wasn't a lot of action to make that a reality. 2023 and there's zero hope for a better future and we're doing nothing about it. We need at least hope or action.

dntrkv 4y ago
It depends on what you think is important, but there is a lot more happening today in addressing our problems than back in 2013 or 2003, imo. I think many can agree that climate change is one of the higher priority efforts, and in the last few years, we've seen some major progress. In the US, renewables make up the vast majority of new generating capacity, by far and solar deployments are growing at a rapid pace. We were still deploying significant amounts of coal plants 10 years ago, nowadays, it's basically zero. [https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-research-data https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-research-data]. China has doubled its solar deployments in the last year. Wind deployments are accelerating [https://www.iea.org/reports/wind-electricity https://www.iea.org/reports/wind-electricity] EVs are gaining marketshare at a fast pace, many countries/states are banning ICE sales in the near future. [https://www.virta.global/en/global-electric-vehicle-market https://www.virta.global/en/global-electric-vehicle-market] Cost of lithium batteries has fallen by 89% since 2010 [https://cleanpower.org/facts/clean-energy-storage/ https://cleanpower.org/facts/clean-energy-storage/] US passed the IRA which has the potential to really accelerate these changes. Still not enough of course, but we are seeing significant progress compared to 2013.

pcorsaro 4y ago

I run a small business that sells supplies to restaurants and other small businesses. Everyone I deal with is busier than they've ever been with less help than they've ever had. Hardly anyone has been able to take a vacation for 3 years now. There's a multitude of things going on that are drastically different than 10 or 20 years ago. There's a schism being created in this world with the work from home crowd being one side, and the warehouse/foodservice crowd on the other side. The warehouse side has a huge demand, in part because of the pandemic, and also in part because of the work from home crowd not leaving their house as much. None of the restaurants can afford to pay what the warehouse jobs are paying. The number of people willing to work in the food industry is lower than I've ever seen it.

defterGoose 4y ago
>There's a schism being created in this world with the work from home crowd being one side, and the warehouse/foodservice crowd on the other side. Totally agree, and it's good to know that anyone besides myself sees it. For me personally, I'm educated and know I have the skills to be on that first side of the divide, but it makes me feel very nervous/sad, because I know a lot of the stuff going on at the lower-wage end of the scale is unsustainable, and it makes me very worried for the future of our society. In the sense of how modern people want to live their lives, people in the service industries are extremely undervalued, and everyone deserves a fair wage for fair work and the ability to live in a dignified way. I complain about everyone expecting a tip on their POS terminals and prices constantly rising, but in the spirit of my above point, they probably deserve it. We need a return to sanity regarding the returns of being a business owner.
- pcorsaro 4y ago
  > I complain about everyone expecting a tip on their POS terminals and prices constantly rising, but in the spirit of my above point, they probably deserve it. This is also a huge complaint of mine in specific situations. If I go to an NBA game or concert, buy a beer for $12, and the POS has a tip thing, I want to scream. I want to scream at the vending group to just pay the people more money. The profit margin on the beer is insane, give your workers some of the money rather than try to pass the buck on to the consumer you’re already gouging.