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Why is seeking peace and reducing nuclear risk considered bizarre??
by memish 4y ago
Why is seeking peace and reducing nuclear risk considered bizarre??
- paxys 4y agoBecause his version of "seeking peace" suspiciously lines up with exactly what Russia is asking for.
- jeanluc_discard 4y agoSeeking peace also lines up with what every sane person should want
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- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoGiving aggressors what they stole is not going to achieve peace, it's going achieve more aggression. If you're going to give up something just because someone else has a nuke, then you'll end up giving them everything you have, because they're not going to give up their nukes. They will always have power over you.
- awb 4y agoSafety and self-determination is what everyone should want. Peace between nations is only part of the picture. Peace between people and their government is another part. We could all have world peace between nations tomorrow if every nation capitulated to Russia. But you’d have endless tension between the people and their new Russian authorities.
- fzeroracer 4y agoIf someone punches you in the face then says they simply want peace right after, does that make them a criminal or should you just let bygones be bygones?
- favorited 4y agoChamberlain had a similar goal at Munich. "Peace for our time," he declared.
- polski-g 4y agoThere are two outcomes for the war: Russia loses or Ukraine loses. We know Russia isn't going to "lose". So work out from there what needs to be done.
- paxys 4y agoWe knew Russia would take Kyiv in a weekend. Then we knew they would do it within a week. Then we knew that despite their initial setbacks they would achieve their goals in a month. Then we knew that their goal wasn't to topple the Ukrainian government at all, and they would achieve everything else in a few months. Then we knew that they would take full control of the eastern regions in under six months. Now eight months later they are down to barely holding on to some fringe regions despite mobilizing the entire country, and Ukraine is taking back control of major cities daily. So I question what we all "know".
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoAt this point, Russia can't win, they can only choose how badly they want to lose.
- awb 4y agoThere is precedent for nuclear powers losing wars in the sense of them having to withdrawal from quagmires without accomplishing their initial objectives.
- TillE 4y agoIt's really strange how a certain contrarian viewpoint about Russia's invasion has developed which just totally ignores everything from the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and America in Vietnam all the way up to America in Afghanistan. There's a lot of precedent.
- tmpz22 4y ago
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- jeanluc_discard 4y ago
- caeril 4y agoWe're "liberating", or "protecting democracy" when the US and/or our allies invade sovereign territory. If you do precisely the same thing without a permission slip from the State Department, then you're evil. This distinction is important to understand.
- memish 4y agoIt's not appeasement. It's seeking peace and avoiding nuclear war. That is bigger than any one person. Why are people getting so confused about this?
- jeanluc_discard 4y ago
- swores 4y agoIncorrect conspiracy theory, sorry to tell you. (Or just trolling?) We're real people who don't listen to Putin's propaganda. The good news is that more and more Russian citizens are starting to oppose him too. edit: from the HN guidelines- "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."
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- jeanluc_discard 4y agoIt's not. It's calling the bluff on NATO's narrative.
- lljk_kennedy 4y agoWhich is what, in your opinion?
- jeanluc_discard 4y agoThe narrative that it's interested in an end to the conflict. It's still entertaining Ukraine's application to NATO which would mean World War 3. Everything I see is NATO escalating, rather than de-escalating. Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs said the same on Bloomberg yesterday.
- Arrath 4y agoIf there is nuclear risk from Russia, losing a war of conquest that Russia started, Russia ought to take a step back and reassess their options rather than reaching for the canned sunshine.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoCowering to threats emboldens those making the threats.