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> This is such a short sighted view. It's not. The EU tried to do it the easy way, where companies would agree amongst themselves. This was finally accomplishe

> This is such a short sighted view. It's not. The EU tried to do it the easy way, where companies would agree amongst themselves. This was finally accomplished in 2009[1] by every one except Apple. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-to-standardized-mobile-phone-charger-in-eu/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-t... After 13 years, the EU is finally forcing Apple. > EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money We're also voting with our votes and most of us agree with that the EU is doing here.

nickpp 4y ago
> We're also voting with our votes and most of us agree with that the EU is doing here. Never voted for crap like this or the GDPR. I voted for strong leadership against Russian aggression or not becoming energy dependent of an evil regime, but I guess mandating trivialities is so much easier.
- xdennis 4y ago
  Yes, we don't have a direct democracy (although you can vote for parties advocating it), but it's a lot more than you get with Apple. You don't get a vote on anything. "Voting with your wallet" isn't a vote at all. You can just choose to leave, but Apple makes it every difficult.
mcphage 4y ago
The interesting thing there is, the connector discussed in 2009 was the micro-USB connector. Had the EU forced tech companies in 2009 to use a micro-USB connector, would that mean they would still be on it now, and not using the (far better) USB-C connector? I think I'm for this decision overall, but otoh I'm really glad that the EU didn't force everyone onto micro-USB back in 2009. If they EU hadn't done this now, I wonder how I would feel about the possibility when 2035 rolls around?
- lordfoom 4y ago
  > Had the EU forced tech companies in 2009 to use a micro-USB connector, would that mean they would still be on it now, and not using the (far better) USB-C connector? They did exactly that, force micro-usb, but in 2010: https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization... And now it's upgrading to usb-c, so they do seem to be able to change with technology.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > And now it's upgrading to usb-c, so they do seem to be able to change with technology. That definitely makes me feel better about that process then, so thanks :-)

nickpp 4y ago

> We're also voting with our votes and most of us agree with that the EU is doing here. Never voted for crap like this or the GDPR. I voted for strong leadership against Russian aggression or not becoming energy dependent of an evil regime, but I guess mandating trivialities is so much easier.

xdennis 4y ago
Yes, we don't have a direct democracy (although you can vote for parties advocating it), but it's a lot more than you get with Apple. You don't get a vote on anything. "Voting with your wallet" isn't a vote at all. You can just choose to leave, but Apple makes it every difficult.

mcphage 4y ago

The interesting thing there is, the connector discussed in 2009 was the micro-USB connector. Had the EU forced tech companies in 2009 to use a micro-USB connector, would that mean they would still be on it now, and not using the (far better) USB-C connector? I think I'm for this decision overall, but otoh I'm really glad that the EU didn't force everyone onto micro-USB back in 2009. If they EU hadn't done this now, I wonder how I would feel about the possibility when 2035 rolls around?

lordfoom 4y ago
> Had the EU forced tech companies in 2009 to use a micro-USB connector, would that mean they would still be on it now, and not using the (far better) USB-C connector? They did exactly that, force micro-usb, but in 2010: https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization... And now it's upgrading to usb-c, so they do seem to be able to change with technology.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > And now it's upgrading to usb-c, so they do seem to be able to change with technology. That definitely makes me feel better about that process then, so thanks :-)