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Working around bureaucracy is not deceit. At least according to my understanding of the word, "deceit" requires that someone is lead to believe falsehoods. That
by mort96 4y ago
Working around bureaucracy is not deceit. At least according to my understanding of the word, "deceit" requires that someone is lead to believe falsehoods. That's not going on here. SQLite has a code of ethics, and if that's all that's required by some bureaucratic process, then that's fair game. If the process requires enforcement of the code of ethics, SQLite should probably not tick the box, and the document puts that information front and centre.
- mmastrac 4y agoI mean that's still deceitful. I get that they don't like codes of conduct, but I can still find it amusing that they violate their own code of ethics on the same page they wrote them on.
- eitland 4y agoAt this point your argument is a classic straw man: Define what the opponent means or believes and then put that definition up to tear it down.
- mmastrac 4y agoSimply stating a fallacy does not make it one.
- eitland 4y agoI pointed out in detail how it matches the fallacy. Next up: The first step to get out of a whole you have dug yourself into is to stop digging and all that.
- mmastrac 4y ago> I pointed out in detail how it matches the fallacy. I'm sorry, you did nothing of the kind. The only thing that appears to have happened here, as far as I can tell, is your definition of a strawman, and a cherry-picking, uncharitable read of one of my comments. > Next up: The first step to get out of a whole you have dug yourself into is to stop digging and all that. This hostility doesn't feel like the start of a productive conversation, so I'll bid you a good day and stop here.
- mort96 4y agoAs far as I can see, you're wrong: my position is that the CoE is not deceitful, /u/mmastrac's position is that the CoE is deceitful (and that it's ironic or whatever because the CoE says not to be deceitful). As far as I can see, this is just a good old disagreement where both parties understand and respond to each other's positions.
- mort96 4y agoI don't think I agree with the other commenter that your argument is a straw man. I think we use different definitions of deceit though. I don't think anyone is being mislead, which in my mind is enough to make it not deceitful; if you operate with a different definition, that's okay.
- mmastrac 4y agoI think that's fair - we seem to have a different view of the same situation, which I can respect.