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> including explicitly promoting DEI > Not having one presents compliance issues for companies who otherwise might adopt your project. Insisting that people a

> including explicitly promoting DEI > Not having one presents compliance issues for companies who otherwise might adopt your project. Insisting that people adhere to your ideology through “compliance” sounds very totalitarian.

afavour 4y ago
It really doesn't. No-one is insisting on anything, really. "If you'd like us to adopt your technology, do X" gives both parties a choice in the matter and total freedom to walk away.
- lliamander 4y ago
  1. It's creepy that corporations are having expectations about how volunteer effort to create code that they use for free runs itself (or claims to run itself). It's generally not even being made for the corporations that are using it - the software is made for everyone to use (and fork) as they see fit. 2. These corporations are not engaging in this behavior spontaneously. They are responding to a legal regime which is increasingly becoming totalitarian.
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    To be fair this was corporations that actually pay for development of SQLite via the SQLite Consortium.
    - lliamander 4y ago
      That is fair. It's still creepy - especially given that the project is not open to contributions, and has not (to my knowledge) had any issues with the broader "community" related to the things covered in a code of conduct.
      - cryptonector 4y ago
        D. Richard Hipp handled the situation pretty well in that he got what he wanted and the consortium members didn't get what they wanted.
        lliamander 4y ago
        How so? Did he not end up adopting a more standard CoC? I thought he had, but a brief search suggests I may be wrong. If so, then I agree with you that he handled it well.
        cryptonector 4y ago
        He adopted a prayer as the CoC.
        lliamander 4y ago
        Oh, it looks like he had adopted the Mozilla CoC, but has since removed that. https://sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html https://sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html I am familiar with the Code of Ethics
bitwize 4y ago
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  I'm glad you're in favor of abolishing affirmative action then, since it's literally systemic racism and even falls under the disingenuous "prejudice plus power" definition of racism!
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > equality Motte > DEI, aka Equity Bailey
gaius_baltar 4y ago
Specially when demanded by entitled companies that want the work of FLOSS developers for free. And, curiously, these are usually the same companies that cry about (L|A)?GPL.
- cryptonector 4y ago
  In the case of SQLite it was insisted by paying members of the SQLite Consortium.
Spivak 4y ago
You do realize that SQLite adopted it's current coc for exactly this reason, right? That's what's meant by compliance, there are some situations where adopting oss code requires specific licenses and compatible-ish coc's to avoid issues with required harassment training and dei. Some auditor will ask for "proof" and the coc is what you can send them. And it's done virally like this because otherwise it would be trivial to bypass by simply having a subcontractor. You think workplaces make people watch those cringy videos for fun?

afavour 4y ago

It really doesn't. No-one is insisting on anything, really. "If you'd like us to adopt your technology, do X" gives both parties a choice in the matter and total freedom to walk away.

lliamander 4y ago
1. It's creepy that corporations are having expectations about how volunteer effort to create code that they use for free runs itself (or claims to run itself). It's generally not even being made for the corporations that are using it - the software is made for everyone to use (and fork) as they see fit. 2. These corporations are not engaging in this behavior spontaneously. They are responding to a legal regime which is increasingly becoming totalitarian.
- cryptonector 4y ago
  To be fair this was corporations that actually pay for development of SQLite via the SQLite Consortium.
  - lliamander 4y ago
    That is fair. It's still creepy - especially given that the project is not open to contributions, and has not (to my knowledge) had any issues with the broader "community" related to the things covered in a code of conduct.
    - cryptonector 4y ago
      D. Richard Hipp handled the situation pretty well in that he got what he wanted and the consortium members didn't get what they wanted.
      - lliamander 4y ago
        How so? Did he not end up adopting a more standard CoC? I thought he had, but a brief search suggests I may be wrong. If so, then I agree with you that he handled it well.
        cryptonector 4y ago
        He adopted a prayer as the CoC.
        lliamander 4y ago
        Oh, it looks like he had adopted the Mozilla CoC, but has since removed that. https://sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html https://sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html I am familiar with the Code of Ethics

bitwize 4y ago

HideousKojima 4y ago
I'm glad you're in favor of abolishing affirmative action then, since it's literally systemic racism and even falls under the disingenuous "prejudice plus power" definition of racism!
MichaelCollins 4y ago
> equality Motte > DEI, aka Equity Bailey

gaius_baltar 4y ago

Specially when demanded by entitled companies that want the work of FLOSS developers for free. And, curiously, these are usually the same companies that cry about (L|A)?GPL.

cryptonector 4y ago
In the case of SQLite it was insisted by paying members of the SQLite Consortium.

Spivak 4y ago

You do realize that SQLite adopted it's current coc for exactly this reason, right? That's what's meant by compliance, there are some situations where adopting oss code requires specific licenses and compatible-ish coc's to avoid issues with required harassment training and dei. Some auditor will ask for "proof" and the coc is what you can send them. And it's done virally like this because otherwise it would be trivial to bypass by simply having a subcontractor. You think workplaces make people watch those cringy videos for fun?