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For webdev. There are other areas of software than web. It’s hard to tell that’s true reading HN sometimes.

mywittyname 4y ago
Webdev is the bulk of software positions now, isn't it? Javascript and HTML/CSS are the first and second most popular languages according to Stack Overflow' Dev Survey, and several other web or web-adjacent languages like Typescript, Java, and PHP are not far behind.
- entropicdrifter 4y ago
  As a senior full-stack dev currently in a back-end position, I've grown into the (semi-serious) opinion that a large number of web-devs have their jobs just because of the sheer amount of bikeshedding[0] that occurs around front-end code, frameworks, and UI/UX. Companies wouldn't need bloated front-end teams if they weren't constantly rewriting their webpages/apps to catch the latest trends. That said, I've never been the type of guy you should be asking about what's cool or trendy, so maybe I'm just out of touch. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
shagie 4y ago
Incidentally, web developers are a different job classification. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... and https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm
- mooreds 4y ago
  Projected to grow a mere 23%. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...
  - shagie 4y ago
    One of the neat things to look at on the OES page is the location quotient. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm This gives an indication of "compared to other jobs in that area, how many jobs are filled by people with this classification... compared to the national average of that ratio." You can then use that information, for a person looking for a job, to search those locations for jobs as it is more likely to find those jobs there. The "create customized tables" https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home if you want a larger data set than the summary on the OES page. You could a "for web developers, all metro areas, give me the employment, median wage, and location quotient" and then get that as a csv file which could then be sliced and diced again. Remember that the wages are (1) based on a survey of 200,000 companies and (b) an estimate beyond that number. This is not self reported data. It is akin to how the CPI is calculated ( https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 ).

Webdev is the bulk of software positions now, isn't it? Javascript and HTML/CSS are the first and second most popular languages according to Stack Overflow' Dev Survey, and several other web or web-adjacent languages like Typescript, Java, and PHP are not far behind.

entropicdrifter 4y ago
As a senior full-stack dev currently in a back-end position, I've grown into the (semi-serious) opinion that a large number of web-devs have their jobs just because of the sheer amount of bikeshedding[0] that occurs around front-end code, frameworks, and UI/UX. Companies wouldn't need bloated front-end teams if they weren't constantly rewriting their webpages/apps to catch the latest trends. That said, I've never been the type of guy you should be asking about what's cool or trendy, so maybe I'm just out of touch. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

shagie 4y ago

Incidentally, web developers are a different job classification. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... and https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm

mooreds 4y ago
Projected to grow a mere 23%. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...
- shagie 4y ago
  One of the neat things to look at on the OES page is the location quotient. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm This gives an indication of "compared to other jobs in that area, how many jobs are filled by people with this classification... compared to the national average of that ratio." You can then use that information, for a person looking for a job, to search those locations for jobs as it is more likely to find those jobs there. The "create customized tables" https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home if you want a larger data set than the summary on the OES page. You could a "for web developers, all metro areas, give me the employment, median wage, and location quotient" and then get that as a csv file which could then be sliced and diced again. Remember that the wages are (1) based on a survey of 200,000 companies and (b) an estimate beyond that number. This is not self reported data. It is akin to how the CPI is calculated ( https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 ).