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"Overall employment of software developers, quality assurance analysts, and testers is projected to grow 25 percent from 2021 to 2031, much faster than the aver

"Overall employment of software developers, quality assurance analysts, and testers is projected to grow 25 percent from 2021 to 2031, much faster than the average for all occupations." Job Security. As long as you learn whatever new fad frameworks replace React.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
> As long as you learn whatever new fad frameworks replace React. Or you could just get out of UI development - and instead of spending all your energy on staying afloat - you can actually move forward quite easily.
spacemadness 4y ago
For webdev. There are other areas of software than web. It’s hard to tell that’s true reading HN sometimes.
- mywittyname 4y ago
  Webdev is the bulk of software positions now, isn't it? Javascript and HTML/CSS are the first and second most popular languages according to Stack Overflow' Dev Survey, and several other web or web-adjacent languages like Typescript, Java, and PHP are not far behind.
  - entropicdrifter 4y ago
    As a senior full-stack dev currently in a back-end position, I've grown into the (semi-serious) opinion that a large number of web-devs have their jobs just because of the sheer amount of bikeshedding[0] that occurs around front-end code, frameworks, and UI/UX. Companies wouldn't need bloated front-end teams if they weren't constantly rewriting their webpages/apps to catch the latest trends. That said, I've never been the type of guy you should be asking about what's cool or trendy, so maybe I'm just out of touch. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
- shagie 4y ago
  Incidentally, web developers are a different job classification. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... and https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm
  - mooreds 4y ago
    Projected to grow a mere 23%. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...
    - shagie 4y ago
      One of the neat things to look at on the OES page is the location quotient. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm This gives an indication of "compared to other jobs in that area, how many jobs are filled by people with this classification... compared to the national average of that ratio." You can then use that information, for a person looking for a job, to search those locations for jobs as it is more likely to find those jobs there. The "create customized tables" https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home if you want a larger data set than the summary on the OES page. You could a "for web developers, all metro areas, give me the employment, median wage, and location quotient" and then get that as a csv file which could then be sliced and diced again. Remember that the wages are (1) based on a survey of 200,000 companies and (b) an estimate beyond that number. This is not self reported data. It is akin to how the CPI is calculated ( https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 ).
rglover 4y ago
:wave: https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick (But I sincerely hope it's not a fad as I've designed it to be the antithesis to the rabbit chasing and dogmatic nonsense that's plagued JS the last decade or so).
- ericmcer 4y ago
  Looks cool, I feel like comparing it to React/Vue isn't totally fair though, it seems closer to something like Next.js.
  - rglover 4y ago
    Thanks for taking a look. I agree, I'll add that to the comparison stuff soon. Are there any others you'd like to see/think would be helpful?
reducesuffering 4y ago
React has been popular for 8 years, has an unassailable lead (we may not see an equivalent usage competitor in 10 years), and in 1 day you can learn the basics for making an app.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

> As long as you learn whatever new fad frameworks replace React. Or you could just get out of UI development - and instead of spending all your energy on staying afloat - you can actually move forward quite easily.

spacemadness 4y ago

For webdev. There are other areas of software than web. It’s hard to tell that’s true reading HN sometimes.

mywittyname 4y ago
Webdev is the bulk of software positions now, isn't it? Javascript and HTML/CSS are the first and second most popular languages according to Stack Overflow' Dev Survey, and several other web or web-adjacent languages like Typescript, Java, and PHP are not far behind.
- entropicdrifter 4y ago
  As a senior full-stack dev currently in a back-end position, I've grown into the (semi-serious) opinion that a large number of web-devs have their jobs just because of the sheer amount of bikeshedding[0] that occurs around front-end code, frameworks, and UI/UX. Companies wouldn't need bloated front-end teams if they weren't constantly rewriting their webpages/apps to catch the latest trends. That said, I've never been the type of guy you should be asking about what's cool or trendy, so maybe I'm just out of touch. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
shagie 4y ago
Incidentally, web developers are a different job classification. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... and https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm
- mooreds 4y ago
  Projected to grow a mere 23%. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/web-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...
  - shagie 4y ago
    One of the neat things to look at on the OES page is the location quotient. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151254.htm This gives an indication of "compared to other jobs in that area, how many jobs are filled by people with this classification... compared to the national average of that ratio." You can then use that information, for a person looking for a job, to search those locations for jobs as it is more likely to find those jobs there. The "create customized tables" https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home https://data.bls.gov/oes/#/home if you want a larger data set than the summary on the OES page. You could a "for web developers, all metro areas, give me the employment, median wage, and location quotient" and then get that as a csv file which could then be sliced and diced again. Remember that the wages are (1) based on a survey of 200,000 companies and (b) an estimate beyond that number. This is not self reported data. It is akin to how the CPI is calculated ( https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1015804773 ).

rglover 4y ago

:wave: https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick (But I sincerely hope it's not a fad as I've designed it to be the antithesis to the rabbit chasing and dogmatic nonsense that's plagued JS the last decade or so).

ericmcer 4y ago
Looks cool, I feel like comparing it to React/Vue isn't totally fair though, it seems closer to something like Next.js.
- rglover 4y ago
  Thanks for taking a look. I agree, I'll add that to the comparison stuff soon. Are there any others you'd like to see/think would be helpful?

reducesuffering 4y ago

React has been popular for 8 years, has an unassailable lead (we may not see an equivalent usage competitor in 10 years), and in 1 day you can learn the basics for making an app.