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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it is peddling. I am guessing they get a large part of this data from scraping job postings. Sure, companies will be wil

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it is peddling. I am guessing they get a large part of this data from scraping job postings. Sure, companies will be willing to look at people who don't have formal education, which is great. But most job posting probably still have the wording "required or preferred or strongly preferred." If they are scraping data from job postings, then their statement is completely reasonable. I was job hunting earlier this year and every software development job pretty much had that wording.

shagie 4y ago
The BLS page on their data collection: https://www.bls.gov/oes/ https://www.bls.gov/oes/ > The Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics (OEWS) program produces employment and wage estimates annually for nearly 800 occupations. These estimates are available for the nation as a whole, for individual states, and for metropolitan and nonmetropolitan areas; national occupational estimates for specific industries are also available. On this page is https://www.bls.gov/oes/mb3-methods.pdf https://www.bls.gov/oes/mb3-methods.pdf > Probability sample panels of about 180,000 to 200,000 establishments are selected semiannually. Responses are obtained by mail, Internet or other electronic means, email, telephone, or personal visit. Respondents report their employees’ job titles or occupations across 12 wage ranges. The job titles and descriptions are used to classify workers into occupations in the Standard Occupational Classification (SOC) system. > Estimates of occupational employment and wage rates are based on six panels of survey data collected over a 3-year cycle. The final in-scope sample size when six panels are combined is approximately 1.2 million establishments. Total 6-panel unweighted employment covers approximately 80 million3 out of the total employment of over 140 million4. They're not scraping. They are calling up a hundreds of thousands of companies and asking them "how much are you paying people with this classification?" They occasionally redo the classifications based on industry trends. Currently, the programmer related job listings https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#15-0000 https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#15-0000 15-1251 Computer Programmers 15-1252 Software Developers 15-1253 Software Quality Assurance Analysts and Testers 15-1254 Web Developers 15-1255 Web and Digital Interface Designers (note that the OOH and OES can get out of sync) Go back to 2020 and you'll see https://web.archive.org/web/20200508015238/https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20200508015238/https://www.bls.g... 15-1251 Computer Programmers 15-1256 Software Developers and Software Quality Assurance Analysts and Testers 15-1257 Web Developers and Digital Interface Designers And going further back, in 2014 https://web.archive.org/web/20140704000413/http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20140704000413/http://www.bls.go... 15-1131 Computer Programmers 15-1132 Software Developers, Applications 15-1133 Software Developers, Systems Software 15-1134 Web Developers And even further back, you won't see the Web Developers https://web.archive.org/web/20060813114102/http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20060813114102/http://www.bls.go... 15-1021 Computer Programmers 15-1031 Computer Software Engineers, Applications 15-1032 Computer Software Engineers, Systems Software These classifications are buckets that the BLS creates trying to loosely get a single mode in the wage data (if there is a bimodal distribution of the wage data, then there are two different classifications). When someone applies on a work visa, they have to fit into a bucket somewhere. The definition of that bucket determines which type of visa they may be approved for. If it requires a degree, then its the H-1B. If it doesn't require a degree, its likely a H-2B... and that in turn leads to other implications (the H-1B is dual intent and can lead to a green card while the H-2B isn't).

shagie 4y ago

The BLS page on their data collection: https://www.bls.gov/oes/ https://www.bls.gov/oes/ > The Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics (OEWS) program produces employment and wage estimates annually for nearly 800 occupations. These estimates are available for the nation as a whole, for individual states, and for metropolitan and nonmetropolitan areas; national occupational estimates for specific industries are also available. On this page is https://www.bls.gov/oes/mb3-methods.pdf https://www.bls.gov/oes/mb3-methods.pdf > Probability sample panels of about 180,000 to 200,000 establishments are selected semiannually. Responses are obtained by mail, Internet or other electronic means, email, telephone, or personal visit. Respondents report their employees’ job titles or occupations across 12 wage ranges. The job titles and descriptions are used to classify workers into occupations in the Standard Occupational Classification (SOC) system. > Estimates of occupational employment and wage rates are based on six panels of survey data collected over a 3-year cycle. The final in-scope sample size when six panels are combined is approximately 1.2 million establishments. Total 6-panel unweighted employment covers approximately 80 million3 out of the total employment of over 140 million4. They're not scraping. They are calling up a hundreds of thousands of companies and asking them "how much are you paying people with this classification?" They occasionally redo the classifications based on industry trends. Currently, the programmer related job listings https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#15-0000 https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm#15-0000 15-1251 Computer Programmers 15-1252 Software Developers 15-1253 Software Quality Assurance Analysts and Testers 15-1254 Web Developers 15-1255 Web and Digital Interface Designers (note that the OOH and OES can get out of sync) Go back to 2020 and you'll see https://web.archive.org/web/20200508015238/https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20200508015238/https://www.bls.g... 15-1251 Computer Programmers 15-1256 Software Developers and Software Quality Assurance Analysts and Testers 15-1257 Web Developers and Digital Interface Designers And going further back, in 2014 https://web.archive.org/web/20140704000413/http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20140704000413/http://www.bls.go... 15-1131 Computer Programmers 15-1132 Software Developers, Applications 15-1133 Software Developers, Systems Software 15-1134 Web Developers And even further back, you won't see the Web Developers https://web.archive.org/web/20060813114102/http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20060813114102/http://www.bls.go... 15-1021 Computer Programmers 15-1031 Computer Software Engineers, Applications 15-1032 Computer Software Engineers, Systems Software These classifications are buckets that the BLS creates trying to loosely get a single mode in the wage data (if there is a bimodal distribution of the wage data, then there are two different classifications). When someone applies on a work visa, they have to fit into a bucket somewhere. The definition of that bucket determines which type of visa they may be approved for. If it requires a degree, then its the H-1B. If it doesn't require a degree, its likely a H-2B... and that in turn leads to other implications (the H-1B is dual intent and can lead to a green card while the H-2B isn't).