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Clickhouse was spun out of Yandex, which is a Russian corporation. Given existing geopolitical tensions, is there anything to worry about there? Does anyone k

Clickhouse was spun out of Yandex, which is a Russian corporation. Given existing geopolitical tensions, is there anything to worry about there? Does anyone know how much of the Clickhouse team (or ownership) is still located in Russia?

46Bit 4y ago
They have been extremely clear in their support of Ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine
- risyachka 4y ago
  It's just a bunch of text, doesn't show any support whatsoever. They can show support by donating to UA defence and showing proof (important - not some neutral org). Otherwise it is not support but a bunch of bs
  - ericb 4y ago
    In places like Russia, those words are very dangerous, and could get you jailed or sent to the front. Even calling it a "war" was/is a punishable offense. So, yes, words, but the potential consequences of these words have more significance than empty air.
  - xwowsersx 4y ago
    Why do you get to define the acceptable forms of support...?
kelp 4y ago
You can see on their jobs page and 'our story' page, they are mostly in the US and The Netherlands.
- mike_d 4y ago
  Yandex is technically incorporated in The Netherlands and has an engineering presence there, but they are as Russian controlled as can be.
izrailev 4y ago
https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine
- risyachka 4y ago
  Just a bunch of words. Everyone says they support Ukraine if it benefits their business. Show proof
  - danielbln 4y ago
    What kind of proof are you looking for here?
u2315 4y ago
They support Ukraine, however, given the company spun out of Yandex, the latter is most certainly financially benefitting from their success, and is paying taxes that are funding the war. AFAIR, Yandex also has 2 director sits on Clickhouse board, although that could have changed.
- MajimasEyepatch 4y ago
  > ClickHouse, Inc. is a Delaware company with headquarters in the San Francisco Bay Area. We have no operations in Russia, no Russian investors, and no Russian members of our Board of Directors. We do, however, have an incredibly talented team of Russian software engineers located in Amsterdam, and we could not be more proud to call them colleagues. From their "We Stand With Ukraine" page. [1] [1] https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine
  - u2315 4y ago
    That's interesting, thanks for clarifying. Yandex do show up as an investor in Crunchbase, including in their most recent Series B. The cited blog post says: > The formation of our company was made possible by an agreement under which Yandex NV, a Dutch company with operations in Russia While Yandex NV is registered in the Netherlands, it's pretty clear that Yandex NV is directly related to Yandex (specifically, according to Wikipedia, it's a holding company of Yandex). For those who don't know, Yandex is basically the Google of Russia and holds 42% of market share among search engines in Russia. The blog post does not seem to make any claims that Russia is not benefitting financially from the commercial success of Clickhouse. And given the above, such claim would unlikely be true. As such, I still think it's pretty much safe to assume that a portion of any $$$ paid to Clickhouse ultimately goes to fund the war and kill people. That said, I sincerely hope they could find a way to stop that flow of money from happening somehow, as otherwise it's a nice technology and a great technical team behind it...
zX41ZdbW 4y ago
> Does anyone know how much of the Clickhouse team (or ownership) is still located in Russia? Zero. No employees in Russia, no ownership from Russia, no influence from Russia.

46Bit 4y ago

They have been extremely clear in their support of Ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine

risyachka 4y ago
It's just a bunch of text, doesn't show any support whatsoever. They can show support by donating to UA defence and showing proof (important - not some neutral org). Otherwise it is not support but a bunch of bs
- ericb 4y ago
  In places like Russia, those words are very dangerous, and could get you jailed or sent to the front. Even calling it a "war" was/is a punishable offense. So, yes, words, but the potential consequences of these words have more significance than empty air.
- xwowsersx 4y ago
  Why do you get to define the acceptable forms of support...?

kelp 4y ago

You can see on their jobs page and 'our story' page, they are mostly in the US and The Netherlands.

mike_d 4y ago
Yandex is technically incorporated in The Netherlands and has an engineering presence there, but they are as Russian controlled as can be.

izrailev 4y ago

https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine

risyachka 4y ago
Just a bunch of words. Everyone says they support Ukraine if it benefits their business. Show proof
- danielbln 4y ago
  What kind of proof are you looking for here?

u2315 4y ago

They support Ukraine, however, given the company spun out of Yandex, the latter is most certainly financially benefitting from their success, and is paying taxes that are funding the war. AFAIR, Yandex also has 2 director sits on Clickhouse board, although that could have changed.

MajimasEyepatch 4y ago
> ClickHouse, Inc. is a Delaware company with headquarters in the San Francisco Bay Area. We have no operations in Russia, no Russian investors, and no Russian members of our Board of Directors. We do, however, have an incredibly talented team of Russian software engineers located in Amsterdam, and we could not be more proud to call them colleagues. From their "We Stand With Ukraine" page. [1] [1] https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine https://clickhouse.com/blog/we-stand-with-ukraine
- u2315 4y ago
  That's interesting, thanks for clarifying. Yandex do show up as an investor in Crunchbase, including in their most recent Series B. The cited blog post says: > The formation of our company was made possible by an agreement under which Yandex NV, a Dutch company with operations in Russia While Yandex NV is registered in the Netherlands, it's pretty clear that Yandex NV is directly related to Yandex (specifically, according to Wikipedia, it's a holding company of Yandex). For those who don't know, Yandex is basically the Google of Russia and holds 42% of market share among search engines in Russia. The blog post does not seem to make any claims that Russia is not benefitting financially from the commercial success of Clickhouse. And given the above, such claim would unlikely be true. As such, I still think it's pretty much safe to assume that a portion of any $$$ paid to Clickhouse ultimately goes to fund the war and kill people. That said, I sincerely hope they could find a way to stop that flow of money from happening somehow, as otherwise it's a nice technology and a great technical team behind it...

zX41ZdbW 4y ago

> Does anyone know how much of the Clickhouse team (or ownership) is still located in Russia? Zero. No employees in Russia, no ownership from Russia, no influence from Russia.