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For context, there are multiple Clickhouse companies. This is the one that spun out of Yandex and took the Clickhouse name as their namesake for the company! A

For context, there are multiple Clickhouse companies. This is the one that spun out of Yandex and took the Clickhouse name as their namesake for the company! Altinity has been in the space for a while offering Clickhouse services as well: https://altinity.com/ https://altinity.com/ EDIT: brazenly was the wrong word here :)

stingraycharles 4y ago
Wait, wasn't Clickhouse itself spun out of Yandex anyway? I.e. Yandex opensources Clickhouse, then later starts Clickhouse (the company)?
- kelp 4y ago
  That is literally what happened. There is nothing brazen here.
qaq 4y ago
"brazenly" :)? Are you for real? Top 3 commiters work there including Alexey who created CH in the first place alexey-milovidov 17,522 commits 5,648,537 ++ 5,580,633 -- alesapin 4,618 commits 1,024,262 ++ 932,501 -- KochetovNicolai 3,867 commits 377,420 ++ 314,035 --
hodgesrm 4y ago
Hi! Thank you for mentioning my company Altinity. We love ClickHouse and have been supporting customers on it for years. That said I would like to defend ClickHouse and their use of the logo. They acquired the IP and it's their right to use it as they please. It's hard to imagine them not using the ClickHouse name. There's a crowd of companies using/supporting ClickHouse so it's the obvious way to market themselves. The interesting question is whether it's a good thing for users to have a large company controlling ClickHouse rather than having it in a foundation.
- mrwnmonm 4y ago
  Will Altinity Cloud compete with ClickHouse Cloud now? :)
  - hodgesrm 4y ago
    Yes. Our offering is quite differentiated--different pricing model, ability to run in user VPCs and private cloud, baked-in enterprise DBA support, and Altinity Stable builds with long-tail support are just a few examples. This is a large market with very diverse needs. At the same time we contribute to open source and work to make ClickHouse better, just as many other businesses built on ClickHouse do. We've done quite a bit of work including many ClickHouse PRs, maintenance of the Grafana ClickHouse plugin since 2019, Altinity Kubernetes operator for ClickHouse, etc. We plan to step up our contributions as the market grows.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  I think that’s only an interesting question to you because you directly benefit from that. For now on, your company will be regarded as an off brand Clickhouse since you have no influence on the roadmap, etc. MongoLab and MongoHQ come to mind. My advice would be to pivot away from the Clickhouse brand and towards a great OLAP service that happens to run on Clickhouse.
  - hodgesrm 4y ago
    By that definition Amazon RDS is an off-brand MySQL (and PostgreSQL too). We're perfectly happy to be in their company.
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      I think people are buying Amazon there. I wish you guys luck but you’ll probably be used by customers mainly to negotiate with Clickhouse on better rates. And they’ll undercut competition when needed since they have so much cash and investor mindshare.
tylerhannan 4y ago
It is an interesting perspective... FWIW, here is Alexey's perspective on the topic directly for those of you following along at home. https://clickhouse.com/blog/introducing-click-house-inc https://clickhouse.com/blog/introducing-click-house-inc
sccxy 4y ago
Strange name and domain. It is included in many adblocker lists.
- tylerhannan 4y ago
  And we request removal as and where we can. https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/issues/1781 https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/issues/1781 Unfortunately mvps.org no longer seems to reply to emails.
AdamProut 4y ago
I was keeping a tally of how many companies were offering "ClickHouse as a service" at one point last year. I think I got up to 7 or 8. It will be interesting to watch this unfold from a code licensing perspective. Will Clickhouse Inc. move to a more restrictive license to block all these other ClickHouse services?
- zX41ZdbW 4y ago
  > It will be interesting to watch this unfold from a code licensing perspective. Will Clickhouse Inc. move to a more restrictive license to block all these other ClickHouse services? I don't see it as a reasonable move.

stingraycharles 4y ago

Wait, wasn't Clickhouse itself spun out of Yandex anyway? I.e. Yandex opensources Clickhouse, then later starts Clickhouse (the company)?

kelp 4y ago
That is literally what happened. There is nothing brazen here.

qaq 4y ago

"brazenly" :)? Are you for real? Top 3 commiters work there including Alexey who created CH in the first place alexey-milovidov 17,522 commits 5,648,537 ++ 5,580,633 -- alesapin 4,618 commits 1,024,262 ++ 932,501 -- KochetovNicolai 3,867 commits 377,420 ++ 314,035 --

hodgesrm 4y ago

Hi! Thank you for mentioning my company Altinity. We love ClickHouse and have been supporting customers on it for years. That said I would like to defend ClickHouse and their use of the logo. They acquired the IP and it's their right to use it as they please. It's hard to imagine them not using the ClickHouse name. There's a crowd of companies using/supporting ClickHouse so it's the obvious way to market themselves. The interesting question is whether it's a good thing for users to have a large company controlling ClickHouse rather than having it in a foundation.

mrwnmonm 4y ago
Will Altinity Cloud compete with ClickHouse Cloud now? :)
- hodgesrm 4y ago
  Yes. Our offering is quite differentiated--different pricing model, ability to run in user VPCs and private cloud, baked-in enterprise DBA support, and Altinity Stable builds with long-tail support are just a few examples. This is a large market with very diverse needs. At the same time we contribute to open source and work to make ClickHouse better, just as many other businesses built on ClickHouse do. We've done quite a bit of work including many ClickHouse PRs, maintenance of the Grafana ClickHouse plugin since 2019, Altinity Kubernetes operator for ClickHouse, etc. We plan to step up our contributions as the market grows.
nemo44x 4y ago
I think that’s only an interesting question to you because you directly benefit from that. For now on, your company will be regarded as an off brand Clickhouse since you have no influence on the roadmap, etc. MongoLab and MongoHQ come to mind. My advice would be to pivot away from the Clickhouse brand and towards a great OLAP service that happens to run on Clickhouse.
- hodgesrm 4y ago
  By that definition Amazon RDS is an off-brand MySQL (and PostgreSQL too). We're perfectly happy to be in their company.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    I think people are buying Amazon there. I wish you guys luck but you’ll probably be used by customers mainly to negotiate with Clickhouse on better rates. And they’ll undercut competition when needed since they have so much cash and investor mindshare.

tylerhannan 4y ago

It is an interesting perspective... FWIW, here is Alexey's perspective on the topic directly for those of you following along at home. https://clickhouse.com/blog/introducing-click-house-inc https://clickhouse.com/blog/introducing-click-house-inc

sccxy 4y ago

Strange name and domain. It is included in many adblocker lists.

tylerhannan 4y ago
And we request removal as and where we can. https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/issues/1781 https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/issues/1781 Unfortunately mvps.org no longer seems to reply to emails.

AdamProut 4y ago

I was keeping a tally of how many companies were offering "ClickHouse as a service" at one point last year. I think I got up to 7 or 8. It will be interesting to watch this unfold from a code licensing perspective. Will Clickhouse Inc. move to a more restrictive license to block all these other ClickHouse services?

zX41ZdbW 4y ago
> It will be interesting to watch this unfold from a code licensing perspective. Will Clickhouse Inc. move to a more restrictive license to block all these other ClickHouse services? I don't see it as a reasonable move.