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> I am on the side of Neopets forums and Geocities and uploading mp3s of shitty songs onto your iWeb website. I’m on the side of blogging and learning about ARI

by beauHD 4y ago

> I am on the side of Neopets forums and Geocities and uploading mp3s of shitty songs onto your iWeb website. I’m on the side of blogging and learning about ARIA roles and finding a small circle of nerds Worth reading 'What is the Small Web?'[0] It's worth having your own little corner of the Internet that isn't social media, but a site you own and maintain with care, a labor of love, so to speak. And you have full control over it. You can't get 'suspended' for sharing an edgy meme. [0] https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/ https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/

rrdharan 4y ago
You definitely can still get suspended, no matter where you are or how you’re hosting, depending on how edgy you are and how much attention it gets.
- alexb_ 4y ago
  If you live in a country with strong free speech rights such as the US, not really.
  - hellojesus 4y ago
    Domain registrars go so far as to drop clients. See the DailyStormer as an example. You could host via IP only and then control a separate, static domain that has your most recent IP. Not sure ISPs are allowed to drop customers for edgy chat. I would hope they are seen as a utility in that instance.
    - alangibson 4y ago
      For anything controversial, getting dropped by Cloudflare is a bunch larger concern than getting dropped by your registrar. You'll be DDOSed offline immediately and there's no Cloudflare.ag alternative to turn to. Just look at what happened to the scumbags at Kiwi Farms.
      - PubliusMI 4y ago
      - syrrim 4y ago
        KF came back eventually. It took a bit of work on their part, but then you are unlikely to face as much pressure as they did. They even kept their original domain name, so any bookmarks or in-bound links work as they did before after a month long vacation.
      - sweetbitter 4y ago
        That website never went down for more than, like, a day (and remained on Tor even then). It weathered that storm and remains online on its original domain.
- beauHD 4y ago
  > depending on how edgy you are I was talking about Facebook's dreaded 'Community Standards' here, to be specific. I've had content censored that I acquired from Facebook itself, and the original post where I got it from wasn't taken down from Facebook. Such hypocrisy. I've done this enough times that Facebook threatened to permaban me from their platform. So I run my little corner of the net where I can post what I want (within reason). By 'Edgy meme' I mean something that a behemoth like Facebook deems censorable.
teucris 4y ago
There will always be a server or router between your box and the internet. Whoever owns it can decide to disconnect you any time.
- nullc 4y ago
  Further down the stack is much more likely to be deemed a common carrier. The exact status depends on where you are and there is more than one piece of ongoing litigation over it (e.g. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7987167/american-cable-association-v-becerra/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7987167/american-cable-... ). But traditionally your statement is why common carrier status has existed. Even without the stronger protection of common carrier laws providers further down the stack are much less likely to take action against you. The difference in probabilities matters even though when it isn't as strong as clear protection under the law.
phendrenad2 4y ago
Also, part of the grift of the modern internet is people charging money to run your own site. You can run your own Wordpress box, but it'll probably get hacked, because Wordpress is a pile of dependencies with a huge attack surface area. So you end up paying money to Automattic to run your WP instance for you. Meanwhile, if you carefully craft your own website, you can just not include obvious things like log4j and be free from 99.9% of exploits.
- beauHD 4y ago
  Well you could go with a static site and host on Github Pages[0], which is free (as of time of writing). You have to learn Jekyll[1] though if you're running a blog, which is a way to publish without manually editing templates and god forbid, writing some HTML. Then you just buy a domain for 10 years in advance and you're set. 10 years is a long time in tech and is plenty of time to produce meaningful content that makes a dent. [0] https://pages.github.com/ https://pages.github.com/ [1] https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-s...
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    Does Jekyll allow comments?

by beauHD 4y ago

rrdharan 4y ago

You definitely can still get suspended, no matter where you are or how you’re hosting, depending on how edgy you are and how much attention it gets.

alexb_ 4y ago
If you live in a country with strong free speech rights such as the US, not really.
- hellojesus 4y ago
  Domain registrars go so far as to drop clients. See the DailyStormer as an example. You could host via IP only and then control a separate, static domain that has your most recent IP. Not sure ISPs are allowed to drop customers for edgy chat. I would hope they are seen as a utility in that instance.
  - alangibson 4y ago
    For anything controversial, getting dropped by Cloudflare is a bunch larger concern than getting dropped by your registrar. You'll be DDOSed offline immediately and there's no Cloudflare.ag alternative to turn to. Just look at what happened to the scumbags at Kiwi Farms.
    - PubliusMI 4y ago
    - syrrim 4y ago
      KF came back eventually. It took a bit of work on their part, but then you are unlikely to face as much pressure as they did. They even kept their original domain name, so any bookmarks or in-bound links work as they did before after a month long vacation.
    - sweetbitter 4y ago
      That website never went down for more than, like, a day (and remained on Tor even then). It weathered that storm and remains online on its original domain.
beauHD 4y ago
> depending on how edgy you are I was talking about Facebook's dreaded 'Community Standards' here, to be specific. I've had content censored that I acquired from Facebook itself, and the original post where I got it from wasn't taken down from Facebook. Such hypocrisy. I've done this enough times that Facebook threatened to permaban me from their platform. So I run my little corner of the net where I can post what I want (within reason). By 'Edgy meme' I mean something that a behemoth like Facebook deems censorable.

teucris 4y ago

There will always be a server or router between your box and the internet. Whoever owns it can decide to disconnect you any time.

nullc 4y ago
Further down the stack is much more likely to be deemed a common carrier. The exact status depends on where you are and there is more than one piece of ongoing litigation over it (e.g. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7987167/american-cable-association-v-becerra/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7987167/american-cable-... ). But traditionally your statement is why common carrier status has existed. Even without the stronger protection of common carrier laws providers further down the stack are much less likely to take action against you. The difference in probabilities matters even though when it isn't as strong as clear protection under the law.

phendrenad2 4y ago

Also, part of the grift of the modern internet is people charging money to run your own site. You can run your own Wordpress box, but it'll probably get hacked, because Wordpress is a pile of dependencies with a huge attack surface area. So you end up paying money to Automattic to run your WP instance for you. Meanwhile, if you carefully craft your own website, you can just not include obvious things like log4j and be free from 99.9% of exploits.

beauHD 4y ago
Well you could go with a static site and host on Github Pages[0], which is free (as of time of writing). You have to learn Jekyll[1] though if you're running a blog, which is a way to publish without manually editing templates and god forbid, writing some HTML. Then you just buy a domain for 10 years in advance and you're set. 10 years is a long time in tech and is plenty of time to produce meaningful content that makes a dent. [0] https://pages.github.com/ https://pages.github.com/ [1] https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-s...
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  Does Jekyll allow comments?