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Yes, it won't. As parent points out, the EU previously mandated micro-usb support (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.wikiped

Yes, it won't. As parent points out, the EU previously mandated micro-usb support (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply) which worked fairly well, and hasn't stifled the innovation that's resulted in USB-C.

nulld3v 4y ago
> the EU previously mandated micro-usb support No they didn't, compliance is voluntary, just read the linked wiki page. I agree with the point that it won't stifle Innovation though. The swift passing of the USB-C mandate has proven to me that the EU can move quickly, so if a new connector comes along they will be able to switch the law reasonably quickly.
- AlphaSite 4y ago
  This isn’t swift I don’t think, we’ve been hearing about this for years now.
  - nulld3v 4y ago
    This mandate was conceived in 2018: https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46756/attachments/2/translations/en/renditions/native https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46756/attachments/2/... I think 4 years is a reasonable time frame. Especially considering they weren't sitting around doing nothing for 4 years, most of it was research and surveys
- httptoolkit 4y ago
  Technically voluntary, but every major phone manufacturer (including Apple) committed to it and followed it (although in Apple's case, with a dongle).
  - dahfizz 4y ago
    But, crucially, they were able to effortlessly move to a better connector when one came along. They were not legally forced to stick with Micro-B. Now they are legally stuck with USB-C indefinitely.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  If you've followed the EU for a few decades, you'd know they occasionally move quickly, but not often, and the movement is rarely in the best direction.
  - nulld3v 4y ago
    The multiple previous recommendations on mobile phone charging ports passed relatively quickly too.
    - BurningFrog 4y ago
      Maybe some non Europeans are unaware, but the EU handles several other areas than phone connectors.
      - 8note 4y ago
        The topic at hand is phone connectors -- we have data about how the EU handles them, so why bother using estimates from some other thing?
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imoverclocked 4y ago
> Although compliance is voluntary, a majority of the world's largest mobile phone manufacturers agreed to make their applicable mobile phones compatible with Europe's common external power supply specification (EN 62684:2010). Is compliance voluntary for this new ruling?
- Mindwipe 4y ago
  TBF, it was "voluntary" for the old spec too. Everyone agreed to it in writing because otherwise they were told legislation would be swiftly passed. That's not really voluntary.
dahfizz 4y ago
According to your link, compliance was voluntary. Its in the second sentence.

nulld3v 4y ago

> the EU previously mandated micro-usb support No they didn't, compliance is voluntary, just read the linked wiki page. I agree with the point that it won't stifle Innovation though. The swift passing of the USB-C mandate has proven to me that the EU can move quickly, so if a new connector comes along they will be able to switch the law reasonably quickly.

AlphaSite 4y ago
This isn’t swift I don’t think, we’ve been hearing about this for years now.
- nulld3v 4y ago
  This mandate was conceived in 2018: https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46756/attachments/2/translations/en/renditions/native https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46756/attachments/2/... I think 4 years is a reasonable time frame. Especially considering they weren't sitting around doing nothing for 4 years, most of it was research and surveys
httptoolkit 4y ago
Technically voluntary, but every major phone manufacturer (including Apple) committed to it and followed it (although in Apple's case, with a dongle).
- dahfizz 4y ago
  But, crucially, they were able to effortlessly move to a better connector when one came along. They were not legally forced to stick with Micro-B. Now they are legally stuck with USB-C indefinitely.
BurningFrog 4y ago
If you've followed the EU for a few decades, you'd know they occasionally move quickly, but not often, and the movement is rarely in the best direction.
- nulld3v 4y ago
  The multiple previous recommendations on mobile phone charging ports passed relatively quickly too.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    Maybe some non Europeans are unaware, but the EU handles several other areas than phone connectors.
    - 8note 4y ago
      The topic at hand is phone connectors -- we have data about how the EU handles them, so why bother using estimates from some other thing?

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imoverclocked 4y ago

> Although compliance is voluntary, a majority of the world's largest mobile phone manufacturers agreed to make their applicable mobile phones compatible with Europe's common external power supply specification (EN 62684:2010). Is compliance voluntary for this new ruling?

Mindwipe 4y ago
TBF, it was "voluntary" for the old spec too. Everyone agreed to it in writing because otherwise they were told legislation would be swiftly passed. That's not really voluntary.

dahfizz 4y ago

According to your link, compliance was voluntary. Its in the second sentence.