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We have been using "Amazon Web Services". They should market their services more, they definitely have a bright future...

by mkl95 4y ago

hnzix 4y ago
AWS is IaaS not PaaS. With IaaS you need to hire competent infra admins. PaaS abstracts away much of that requirement.
- yowmamasita 4y ago
  https://aws.amazon.com/apprunner/ https://aws.amazon.com/apprunner/ https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/ https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/ https://aws.amazon.com/fargate/ https://aws.amazon.com/fargate/ https://aws.amazon.com/appsync/ https://aws.amazon.com/appsync/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/
  - ignoramous 4y ago
    AppRunner is great while being cheaper than Fargate, but it is not cheaper than its NewCloud counterparts like fly.io and render.com. Not sure if railway.app is, 'cause I never could wrap my head around their pricing model. Lightsail Containers are a credible alternative, too. Whereas, Lambda / Lambda@Edge / CloudFront Functions are of course wayyyyy more expensive (even if more capable) than workers.dev.
  - dublin 4y ago
    BTW, EB (Elastic Beanstalk) is generally viewed as just for those getting started, but I've seen companies build really serious stuff (and at significant scale) on it, including an extremely high performance distributed IoT time series database (that was 10 years ago, back before there were good time series DBs to just use). AWS doesn't push EB much, partly because it does offer great value and doesn't make them nearly as much money as things like FarGate or AppSync. If you need something that just does what really needs doing cheaply and well, though, give it another look.
Test0129 4y ago
For personal stuff or business? I'm extremely familiar with AWS at the corporate level but I refuse to use it for personal stuff. Not only are the pricing schemes suspect, the results can be surprising. A single front page feature on HN, for example, could suddenly cost you $150,000 because you didn't wade through enough labyrinthine configuration pages to set the right budgets.
- movedx 4y ago
  So you're saying that if someone buys access to a kitchen, doesn't learn to cook or operate it safely, burns the place down trying to serve 100,000 people, they'll get a big insurance claim made against them and have a $150k bill? You're kidding me? Are you telling me people have to learn to USE these tools if they don't want a nasty surprise? :-P (I'm being tongue-in-cheek cheeky here.) I know you're mostly pushing boundaries with your $150k figure, although at this point it wouldn't surprise me, but AWS is a professional tool aimed at professional engineers. They created Lightsail for "personal stuff." Right tool for the right job, I guess? Although tyou can actually combine the two on a network level (Lightsail and AWS, that is.)
  - Dave3of5 4y ago
    Eek what a hot take. He's talking about the pricing model not the way to operate it. AWS bills for egress data. You can't operate it in any different way to stop that.
    - movedx 4y ago
      Sure about that? So if I have static images going through an ALB to the requesting client, I can't operate in another way to reduce those costs? ... you're sure?
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - ifore 4y ago
sleepyhead 4y ago
Are you comparing Heroku to EC2 and other non-managed parts of AWS? Because for most parts Heroku and AWS is two different offerings. There are two main reasons to use Heroku: they manage it and they provide easy tools for configuration. Even if AWS provide similar managed services I would assume it is as the rest as AWS: a pain to configure. I use many AWS services and not only it is required to have a PhD in AWS to understand basic tasks but the risk of doing something wrong is high. Take IAM for example. Or just setting up a static website with S3, Cloudfront and Route 53 - what a mess. Not saying that AWS isn't great for many things or for companies wanting more control (and with resources to manage it), but comparing it to Heroku is for most parts not a valid comparison.

We have been using "Amazon Web Services". They should market their services more, they definitely have a bright future...

by mkl95 4y ago

We have been using "Amazon Web Services". They should market their services more, they definitely have a bright future...

hnzix 4y ago

AWS is IaaS not PaaS. With IaaS you need to hire competent infra admins. PaaS abstracts away much of that requirement.

yowmamasita 4y ago
https://aws.amazon.com/apprunner/ https://aws.amazon.com/apprunner/ https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/ https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/ https://aws.amazon.com/fargate/ https://aws.amazon.com/fargate/ https://aws.amazon.com/appsync/ https://aws.amazon.com/appsync/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/
- ignoramous 4y ago
  AppRunner is great while being cheaper than Fargate, but it is not cheaper than its NewCloud counterparts like fly.io and render.com. Not sure if railway.app is, 'cause I never could wrap my head around their pricing model. Lightsail Containers are a credible alternative, too. Whereas, Lambda / Lambda@Edge / CloudFront Functions are of course wayyyyy more expensive (even if more capable) than workers.dev.
- dublin 4y ago
  BTW, EB (Elastic Beanstalk) is generally viewed as just for those getting started, but I've seen companies build really serious stuff (and at significant scale) on it, including an extremely high performance distributed IoT time series database (that was 10 years ago, back before there were good time series DBs to just use). AWS doesn't push EB much, partly because it does offer great value and doesn't make them nearly as much money as things like FarGate or AppSync. If you need something that just does what really needs doing cheaply and well, though, give it another look.

Test0129 4y ago

For personal stuff or business? I'm extremely familiar with AWS at the corporate level but I refuse to use it for personal stuff. Not only are the pricing schemes suspect, the results can be surprising. A single front page feature on HN, for example, could suddenly cost you $150,000 because you didn't wade through enough labyrinthine configuration pages to set the right budgets.

movedx 4y ago
So you're saying that if someone buys access to a kitchen, doesn't learn to cook or operate it safely, burns the place down trying to serve 100,000 people, they'll get a big insurance claim made against them and have a $150k bill? You're kidding me? Are you telling me people have to learn to USE these tools if they don't want a nasty surprise? :-P (I'm being tongue-in-cheek cheeky here.) I know you're mostly pushing boundaries with your $150k figure, although at this point it wouldn't surprise me, but AWS is a professional tool aimed at professional engineers. They created Lightsail for "personal stuff." Right tool for the right job, I guess? Although tyou can actually combine the two on a network level (Lightsail and AWS, that is.)
- Dave3of5 4y ago
  Eek what a hot take. He's talking about the pricing model not the way to operate it. AWS bills for egress data. You can't operate it in any different way to stop that.
  - movedx 4y ago
    Sure about that? So if I have static images going through an ALB to the requesting client, I can't operate in another way to reduce those costs? ... you're sure?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ifore 4y ago

sleepyhead 4y ago

Are you comparing Heroku to EC2 and other non-managed parts of AWS? Because for most parts Heroku and AWS is two different offerings. There are two main reasons to use Heroku: they manage it and they provide easy tools for configuration. Even if AWS provide similar managed services I would assume it is as the rest as AWS: a pain to configure. I use many AWS services and not only it is required to have a PhD in AWS to understand basic tasks but the risk of doing something wrong is high. Take IAM for example. Or just setting up a static website with S3, Cloudfront and Route 53 - what a mess. Not saying that AWS isn't great for many things or for companies wanting more control (and with resources to manage it), but comparing it to Heroku is for most parts not a valid comparison.