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Cowards volunteer other people to be more brave and sacrifice more than they already have. It's also uncivilized. There is one escalating party, and Russia can

by cmurf 4y ago

Cowards volunteer other people to be more brave and sacrifice more than they already have. It's also uncivilized. There is one escalating party, and Russia can end this war faster than anyone. By withdrawing. In the meantime, Ukraine has the right to self-defense.

Cupertino95014 4y ago
I don't even know what you think you're saying by the first paragraph. Thinking everything is a test of your courage is adolescent, and a great way to get killed.
- cmurf 4y ago
  I never advocated to consider everything a test of courage. I only said it's certain that confronting evil requires it. As I see it, the "roll over" contingency are emotionally weak, demanding to be coddled by Ukraine sacrificing itself via a land swap, as if this would pacify Putin. If you want to roll over for tyranny, it's your choice. But it's uncivilized to insist other people do so, so that you can avoid even contemplating hypothetical nuclear war. Suggesting people vote on their own genocide is insanity. I can only imagine Musk and the "roll over to Russia" contingency are deeply ignorant of Russia's written intent to commit genocide --> that Ukraine does not exist, Ukrainian people and language do not exist - anyone asserting they do, and want independence from Russia, are Nazis and must be murdered. Or maybe worse, they are aware of it and just don't give damn. I'm not sure who having this discussion is unaware that Ukraine already had the election he proposed, but it's pretty damn ignorant to wade into the discussion not directly addressing the election, as if it doesn't matter. And not addressing the Budapest Memorandum, as if it doesn't matter. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han... https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1576472432445095938 https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1576472432445095938

by cmurf 4y ago

Cupertino95014 4y ago

I don't even know what you think you're saying by the first paragraph. Thinking everything is a test of your courage is adolescent, and a great way to get killed.

cmurf 4y ago
I never advocated to consider everything a test of courage. I only said it's certain that confronting evil requires it. As I see it, the "roll over" contingency are emotionally weak, demanding to be coddled by Ukraine sacrificing itself via a land swap, as if this would pacify Putin. If you want to roll over for tyranny, it's your choice. But it's uncivilized to insist other people do so, so that you can avoid even contemplating hypothetical nuclear war. Suggesting people vote on their own genocide is insanity. I can only imagine Musk and the "roll over to Russia" contingency are deeply ignorant of Russia's written intent to commit genocide --> that Ukraine does not exist, Ukrainian people and language do not exist - anyone asserting they do, and want independence from Russia, are Nazis and must be murdered. Or maybe worse, they are aware of it and just don't give damn. I'm not sure who having this discussion is unaware that Ukraine already had the election he proposed, but it's pretty damn ignorant to wade into the discussion not directly addressing the election, as if it doesn't matter. And not addressing the Budapest Memorandum, as if it doesn't matter. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han... https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1576472432445095938 https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1576472432445095938