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Jeff, if you're reading this, your website is pretty much unreadable without the reader view in Firefox. It's not just the tiny font which is solved by zooming,

Jeff, if you're reading this, your website is pretty much unreadable without the reader view in Firefox. It's not just the tiny font which is solved by zooming, it's the combination of font choice and white text on black background.

spullara 4y ago
I think you might be in dark mode and Jeff doesn't use it. It is perfectly readable to me but it is black text on a white background.
- mtmail 4y ago
  Yes, that's it @media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) body { color: #eee; background-color: #000; }
jcynix 4y ago
I see black text on white background in Firefox (and Chrome) here. So this might be a problem on your side? But otherwise, yes the font is way to small.
- meragrin_ 4y ago
  Nope, it is the site. The CSS contains white text on black background for "dark" color scheme.
mike256 4y ago
Some kind of weird browser configuration? I see black font on white background...
- vultour 4y ago
  Your system isn't set to prefer dark mode.
- LeifCarrotson 4y ago
  If "Settings->Theme->Dark" is a weird browser configuration, then yes. I see white font on a black background, which looks great on many other pages and doesn't hurt my eyes looking at sunspots while most of the page is basically staring at the sun. There are dozens of us - dozens! - and Jeff's page looks uniquely bad. Something about the font weight, perhaps? The strokes are so thin as to disappear. Zooming to 150% makes it much more readable.
  - geerlingguy 4y ago
    Can you tell me more about your configuration? On my Mac, at least, the site is quite legible in both light and dark mode. The main thing I'm wondering is what font is being picked up. On my Mac, I see Georgia... maybe it's just when it switches to Times or 'serif'?
    - lioeters 4y ago
      Text looks fine to me, Firefox on macOS. Perhaps you could make use of the "system font stack", which might fall back to a decent Serif font on other OSes. https://systemfontstack.com/ https://systemfontstack.com/
    - LeifCarrotson 4y ago
      It's the 'serif', I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 with neither Georgia nor Times installed. Here's a screenshot at 100% zoom: https://i.imgur.com/xdMq8SJ.png https://i.imgur.com/xdMq8SJ.png and here's a screenshot at 150%: https://i.imgur.com/hKcCBo7.png https://i.imgur.com/hKcCBo7.png I do see something funny going on with the ligature for 'ff' in "different vendors" and "official retailers, " especially at 100%. Running `fc-match serif` says that the fault being picked up is DejaVu Serif [0] [0] https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/Samples.html https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/Samples.html
      - geerlingguy 4y ago
        Oh wow, that's bad! I guess I haven't tested in FF on Linux recently, but I just updated to default to Helvetica/Arial/sans-serif, and in my quick peek from Ubuntu it seems to look a bit nicer now.
Zamicol 4y ago
Shows up fine for me.
someweirdperson 4y ago
White on black, perfectly readable, firefox on 8" android tablet. Even when switching to desktop site. What's so bad about white-on-black? Light-gray-on-a-bit-darker-gray and similar are the evil choices.
geerlingguy 4y ago
For dark mode, the site shows white text on pure black, to help shave energy use on OLED displays. For light mode, the site shows black on pure white. The text should look great across most browsers/sites, and I make sure the layout flows well if you increase or decrease font size... but if you can send a screenshot of what you're seeing and your device/screen configuration, I can take a look at what might be going on.
- bmicraft 4y ago
  > For dark mode, the site shows white text on pure black, to help shave energy use on OLED displays. For light mode, the site shows black on pure white. That's exactly the problem. Too much contrast is a thing with text and can make a website uncomfortable to look at (for me at least). It's hard to find a source for that, but most people seem to agree (see ~95% of other sites). That's not a problem on commodity LCDs (maybe the one you're using) because "black" is fairly bright, but on OLED especially that's almost infinite contrast.
  - uuoc 4y ago
    > That's not a problem on commodity LCDs (maybe the one you're using) because "black" is fairly bright, but on OLED especially that's almost infinite contrast. Therefore, instead of having your browser enforce a lowered contrast for yourself, you prefer that the majority of the rest of us, with commodity LCDs, suffer too little contrast by asking for the colors to be changed on the website.
    - kuschku 4y ago
      No, you should properly profile your display and set the correct LUT and contrast settings so that you may get clipping in dark scenes, but correct contrast everywhere else. Design websites for correct display devices, and calibrate your display devices to correct for imperfections. Asking for users with good displays to intentionally reduce the displays' quality to simulate a bad display is just ridiculous. That's what color profiles, LUTs, and tone mapping are for.
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spullara 4y ago

I think you might be in dark mode and Jeff doesn't use it. It is perfectly readable to me but it is black text on a white background.

mtmail 4y ago
Yes, that's it @media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) body { color: #eee; background-color: #000; }

jcynix 4y ago

I see black text on white background in Firefox (and Chrome) here. So this might be a problem on your side? But otherwise, yes the font is way to small.

meragrin_ 4y ago
Nope, it is the site. The CSS contains white text on black background for "dark" color scheme.

mike256 4y ago

Some kind of weird browser configuration? I see black font on white background...

vultour 4y ago
Your system isn't set to prefer dark mode.
LeifCarrotson 4y ago
If "Settings->Theme->Dark" is a weird browser configuration, then yes. I see white font on a black background, which looks great on many other pages and doesn't hurt my eyes looking at sunspots while most of the page is basically staring at the sun. There are dozens of us - dozens! - and Jeff's page looks uniquely bad. Something about the font weight, perhaps? The strokes are so thin as to disappear. Zooming to 150% makes it much more readable.
- geerlingguy 4y ago
  Can you tell me more about your configuration? On my Mac, at least, the site is quite legible in both light and dark mode. The main thing I'm wondering is what font is being picked up. On my Mac, I see Georgia... maybe it's just when it switches to Times or 'serif'?
  - lioeters 4y ago
    Text looks fine to me, Firefox on macOS. Perhaps you could make use of the "system font stack", which might fall back to a decent Serif font on other OSes. https://systemfontstack.com/ https://systemfontstack.com/
  - LeifCarrotson 4y ago
    It's the 'serif', I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 with neither Georgia nor Times installed. Here's a screenshot at 100% zoom: https://i.imgur.com/xdMq8SJ.png https://i.imgur.com/xdMq8SJ.png and here's a screenshot at 150%: https://i.imgur.com/hKcCBo7.png https://i.imgur.com/hKcCBo7.png I do see something funny going on with the ligature for 'ff' in "different vendors" and "official retailers, " especially at 100%. Running `fc-match serif` says that the fault being picked up is DejaVu Serif [0] [0] https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/Samples.html https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/Samples.html
    - geerlingguy 4y ago
      Oh wow, that's bad! I guess I haven't tested in FF on Linux recently, but I just updated to default to Helvetica/Arial/sans-serif, and in my quick peek from Ubuntu it seems to look a bit nicer now.

Zamicol 4y ago

Shows up fine for me.

someweirdperson 4y ago

White on black, perfectly readable, firefox on 8" android tablet. Even when switching to desktop site. What's so bad about white-on-black? Light-gray-on-a-bit-darker-gray and similar are the evil choices.

geerlingguy 4y ago

For dark mode, the site shows white text on pure black, to help shave energy use on OLED displays. For light mode, the site shows black on pure white. The text should look great across most browsers/sites, and I make sure the layout flows well if you increase or decrease font size... but if you can send a screenshot of what you're seeing and your device/screen configuration, I can take a look at what might be going on.

bmicraft 4y ago
> For dark mode, the site shows white text on pure black, to help shave energy use on OLED displays. For light mode, the site shows black on pure white. That's exactly the problem. Too much contrast is a thing with text and can make a website uncomfortable to look at (for me at least). It's hard to find a source for that, but most people seem to agree (see ~95% of other sites). That's not a problem on commodity LCDs (maybe the one you're using) because "black" is fairly bright, but on OLED especially that's almost infinite contrast.
- uuoc 4y ago
  > That's not a problem on commodity LCDs (maybe the one you're using) because "black" is fairly bright, but on OLED especially that's almost infinite contrast. Therefore, instead of having your browser enforce a lowered contrast for yourself, you prefer that the majority of the rest of us, with commodity LCDs, suffer too little contrast by asking for the colors to be changed on the website.
  - kuschku 4y ago
    No, you should properly profile your display and set the correct LUT and contrast settings so that you may get clipping in dark scenes, but correct contrast everywhere else. Design websites for correct display devices, and calibrate your display devices to correct for imperfections. Asking for users with good displays to intentionally reduce the displays' quality to simulate a bad display is just ridiculous. That's what color profiles, LUTs, and tone mapping are for.
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