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Also, mental health conditions and cardiomyopathy are "preventable"? Their definition of Preventability stretches credibility- lowering the risk is different fr

Also, mental health conditions and cardiomyopathy are "preventable"? Their definition of Preventability stretches credibility- lowering the risk is different from preventing something. "A death is considered preventable if the committee determines that there was at least some chance of the death being averted by one or more reasonable changes to patient, community, provider, facility, and/or systems factors."

_Microft 4y ago
> Also, mental health conditions and cardiomyopathy are "preventable"? They said that the deaths are preventable, not the conditions themselves.
kevingadd 4y ago
You can prevent some mental health conditions by caring properly for the mother, for example a mother struggling to pay rent or unable to access necessary medical care is naturally going to be at higher risk of conditions like depression and if you improve her circumstances it's possible that the depression might at least abate for a while. Lots of people who are managing mental health conditions will spiral if their circumstances get bad enough but will otherwise be OK. While it's unwise to try and simply reduce all mental health conditions to 'circumstances' or 'chemical imbalance', there are lots of things you can do to keep a person in balance to the point that any latent conditions they have aren't enough of a problem to interfere with their daily lives. Motherhood is already very difficult so it is worthwhile to try and keep as many challenges out of a new mother's life as we can.
- dahfizz 4y ago
  > You can prevent some mental health conditions by caring properly for the mother, By that definition, cancer is preventable. Actually, nearly every possible cause of death is preventable if you're definition is "doing something might reduce risk factors". That's not the normal usage of "preventable death".
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  - kevingadd 4y ago
    I'm surprised you would consider all cancer deaths not preventable. You wouldn't consider a smoker's lung cancer death preventable death?
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      Between some and many are. Not all- just like not all cancers are from smoking.
LorenPechtel 4y ago
I stopped reading at this point--they're not counting preventable, they're counting cases where something *might* have been able to be done. That doesn't mean success and it means their 80% figure is an attempt to make the data fit what they want, not legitimate research.
spicybright 4y ago
If "some chance" is taken to an extreme, I think there's potential to cloud the data so much it becomes almost useless. Do they consider treatments that couldn't possibly be performed on every pregnancy that it might help? (due to finite medical resources, cost that insurance companies won't pay, etc.) I'd much rather see a focus on the basics that other countries do that are consistently missed. Especially when it comes to over-using C-sections and how race plays into treatment.
- Someone 4y ago
  If “some chance” is taken to the extreme, I would think all pregnancies are preventable, and with it all pregnancy-related deaths.
ceph_ 4y ago
> 2 Mental health conditions include deaths of suicide, overdose/poisoning related to substance use disorder, and other deaths determined by the MMRC to be related to a mental health condition, including substance use disorder. Deaths by suicide and drug abuse are indeed preventable. Are you misconstruing the word preventable to mean 100% preventable?

_Microft 4y ago

> Also, mental health conditions and cardiomyopathy are "preventable"? They said that the deaths are preventable, not the conditions themselves.

kevingadd 4y ago

You can prevent some mental health conditions by caring properly for the mother, for example a mother struggling to pay rent or unable to access necessary medical care is naturally going to be at higher risk of conditions like depression and if you improve her circumstances it's possible that the depression might at least abate for a while. Lots of people who are managing mental health conditions will spiral if their circumstances get bad enough but will otherwise be OK. While it's unwise to try and simply reduce all mental health conditions to 'circumstances' or 'chemical imbalance', there are lots of things you can do to keep a person in balance to the point that any latent conditions they have aren't enough of a problem to interfere with their daily lives. Motherhood is already very difficult so it is worthwhile to try and keep as many challenges out of a new mother's life as we can.

dahfizz 4y ago
> You can prevent some mental health conditions by caring properly for the mother, By that definition, cancer is preventable. Actually, nearly every possible cause of death is preventable if you're definition is "doing something might reduce risk factors". That's not the normal usage of "preventable death".
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- kevingadd 4y ago
  I'm surprised you would consider all cancer deaths not preventable. You wouldn't consider a smoker's lung cancer death preventable death?
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Between some and many are. Not all- just like not all cancers are from smoking.

LorenPechtel 4y ago

I stopped reading at this point--they're not counting preventable, they're counting cases where something *might* have been able to be done. That doesn't mean success and it means their 80% figure is an attempt to make the data fit what they want, not legitimate research.

spicybright 4y ago

If "some chance" is taken to an extreme, I think there's potential to cloud the data so much it becomes almost useless. Do they consider treatments that couldn't possibly be performed on every pregnancy that it might help? (due to finite medical resources, cost that insurance companies won't pay, etc.) I'd much rather see a focus on the basics that other countries do that are consistently missed. Especially when it comes to over-using C-sections and how race plays into treatment.

Someone 4y ago
If “some chance” is taken to the extreme, I would think all pregnancies are preventable, and with it all pregnancy-related deaths.

ceph_ 4y ago

> 2 Mental health conditions include deaths of suicide, overdose/poisoning related to substance use disorder, and other deaths determined by the MMRC to be related to a mental health condition, including substance use disorder. Deaths by suicide and drug abuse are indeed preventable. Are you misconstruing the word preventable to mean 100% preventable?