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The problem is that the data wasn't on their servers, it was just flagged to go to Apple's servers. And once you're scanning files with one flag set, nothing t

The problem is that the data wasn't on their servers, it was just flagged to go to Apple's servers. And once you're scanning files with one flag set, nothing technologically prevents the scanning of files without that flag being set. And to quote myself from the Google Stadia brouhaha - "companies lie in PR statements" - so I have no reason to trust Apple's statement that they would never scan other files.

JimDabell 4y ago
> And once you're scanning files with one flag set, nothing technologically prevents the scanning of files without that flag being set. You need to read up on how the system worked, because they picked a design that made absolutely no sense if they wanted to do that. They’d have to redesign it to work in a different way if they wanted to do that.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  You can read up on it, if you want. I'm not going to use iCloud if it scans my data before it hits Apple's servers.
  - misnome 4y ago
    If you don't trust them to do what they are saying, when they are saying it happens - then why on earth do you trust the device to not do it just by avoiding iCloud?
Spooky23 4y ago
You’re getting upset because they chose to tell you that this is happening. The material that they scan for is illegal to possess. You should assume that anyone that accepts cleartext uploads of binary data is scanning for that and other material. At the end of the day, you don’t have the juice to negotiate contractual protections, so corporate self-interest is really your only real protection.
- falcolas 4y ago
  > The material that they scan for is illegal to possess. Do you know what else is illegal to possess? Proof of abortions in some states. Proof of being gay in many countries. Winne the Pooh in at least one country. > You should assume that anyone that accepts cleartext uploads of binary data is scanning for that and other material. Again, since this seems to be lost every time, this isn't being checked post upload. That matters.

JimDabell 4y ago

> And once you're scanning files with one flag set, nothing technologically prevents the scanning of files without that flag being set. You need to read up on how the system worked, because they picked a design that made absolutely no sense if they wanted to do that. They’d have to redesign it to work in a different way if they wanted to do that.

smoldesu 4y ago
You can read up on it, if you want. I'm not going to use iCloud if it scans my data before it hits Apple's servers.
- misnome 4y ago
  If you don't trust them to do what they are saying, when they are saying it happens - then why on earth do you trust the device to not do it just by avoiding iCloud?

Spooky23 4y ago

You’re getting upset because they chose to tell you that this is happening. The material that they scan for is illegal to possess. You should assume that anyone that accepts cleartext uploads of binary data is scanning for that and other material. At the end of the day, you don’t have the juice to negotiate contractual protections, so corporate self-interest is really your only real protection.

falcolas 4y ago
> The material that they scan for is illegal to possess. Do you know what else is illegal to possess? Proof of abortions in some states. Proof of being gay in many countries. Winne the Pooh in at least one country. > You should assume that anyone that accepts cleartext uploads of binary data is scanning for that and other material. Again, since this seems to be lost every time, this isn't being checked post upload. That matters.