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At a federal level no, but some states do require many weeks at minimum. I also think 9months is beyond excessive for maternity/paternity leave (father of kids

by nxm 4y ago

At a federal level no, but some states do require many weeks at minimum. I also think 9months is beyond excessive for maternity/paternity leave (father of kids here).

yebyen 4y ago
I had a search because I didn't believe that any states required employers to offer paid family leave. Some research revealed that the situation is somehow both better than I thought, and also seemingly much worse than I imagined: https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-family-and-medical-leave-laws.aspx#:~:text=Paid%20Family%20Leave%3A%2011%20states,paid%20family%20and%20medical%20leave https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-fam... https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-paid-maternity-leave/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-paid-maternity-leave/ There are a few North Korea comparisons in here that I think are tongue-in-cheek but two statistics jumped out at me: (1) 1/3 of new mothers take little to no time off after [...] new child and instead opt to return to work as soon as they’re able (2) The highest rates of paid family leave across any segment or industry appear to be in the 30% range. So only 30% of the jobs most likely to offer this benefit actually do.
- pkaye 4y ago
  California has PFL as part of its state disability insurance. https://edd.ca.gov/en/disability/Types_of_Claims/ https://edd.ca.gov/en/disability/Types_of_Claims/
encoderer 4y ago
My first born, now about 5, was born while I was aggressively chasing promotions in a tech company. During her first year I mostly saw her to put her to bed at night and on the weekends. This time around I’m a full time indie hacker and I see my son for hours every day. He’s six months old now. I’m insanely fortunate to have a profitable and growing business, but I’ve come to believe that everybody should be able to have months with their children without losing their house, insurance, etc. It may seem crazy but 100 years ago a 40 hour work week seemed crazy to many.
- frumper 4y ago
  The way you describe aggressively chasing promotions sounds different than losing your house. There is a middle ground in there. I also agree that people should be able to spend months with their children though. I'm glad California is supportive of that.
anon291 4y ago
Unpopular opinion: paternity leave doesn't need to be multiple months long in the vast majority of situations. Maternity leave is different of course. Six weeks is luxuriously long for the most common situation. Perhaps on your first child you should get a bit more. Nine months is excessive for paternity leave. I can't comment to maternity leave, but it would make more sense there. Long paternity leave drives everyone crazy.
- sumeno 4y ago
  Are you kidding? Six weeks is laughably short for paternity leave. Taking care of a 2 month old is a 24/7 job and doing it with two people is insanely difficult, that people are forced to do it with one is mindboggling.

by nxm 4y ago

At a federal level no, but some states do require many weeks at minimum. I also think 9months is beyond excessive for maternity/paternity leave (father of kids here).

yebyen 4y ago

I had a search because I didn't believe that any states required employers to offer paid family leave. Some research revealed that the situation is somehow both better than I thought, and also seemingly much worse than I imagined: https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-family-and-medical-leave-laws.aspx#:~:text=Paid%20Family%20Leave%3A%2011%20states,paid%20family%20and%20medical%20leave https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-fam... https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-paid-maternity-leave/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-paid-maternity-leave/ There are a few North Korea comparisons in here that I think are tongue-in-cheek but two statistics jumped out at me: (1) 1/3 of new mothers take little to no time off after [...] new child and instead opt to return to work as soon as they’re able (2) The highest rates of paid family leave across any segment or industry appear to be in the 30% range. So only 30% of the jobs most likely to offer this benefit actually do.

pkaye 4y ago
California has PFL as part of its state disability insurance. https://edd.ca.gov/en/disability/Types_of_Claims/ https://edd.ca.gov/en/disability/Types_of_Claims/

encoderer 4y ago

My first born, now about 5, was born while I was aggressively chasing promotions in a tech company. During her first year I mostly saw her to put her to bed at night and on the weekends. This time around I’m a full time indie hacker and I see my son for hours every day. He’s six months old now. I’m insanely fortunate to have a profitable and growing business, but I’ve come to believe that everybody should be able to have months with their children without losing their house, insurance, etc. It may seem crazy but 100 years ago a 40 hour work week seemed crazy to many.

frumper 4y ago
The way you describe aggressively chasing promotions sounds different than losing your house. There is a middle ground in there. I also agree that people should be able to spend months with their children though. I'm glad California is supportive of that.

anon291 4y ago

Unpopular opinion: paternity leave doesn't need to be multiple months long in the vast majority of situations. Maternity leave is different of course. Six weeks is luxuriously long for the most common situation. Perhaps on your first child you should get a bit more. Nine months is excessive for paternity leave. I can't comment to maternity leave, but it would make more sense there. Long paternity leave drives everyone crazy.

sumeno 4y ago
Are you kidding? Six weeks is laughably short for paternity leave. Taking care of a 2 month old is a 24/7 job and doing it with two people is insanely difficult, that people are forced to do it with one is mindboggling.