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They same way we saw with Russia/Ukraine: * Massing of invasion forces, equipment * Creation of supply routes, casuality collection points, field hospitals, a

They same way we saw with Russia/Ukraine: * Massing of invasion forces, equipment * Creation of supply routes, casuality collection points, field hospitals, and SAR bases * Straight up denial by the PLA; most importantly accusations of "ChinaPhobia" * Restriction of speech, civil liberties (well, it's China, so...) While China's usual tactics of small low intensity conflict work for producing islands in the South China sea, military analysts state that at minimum a 3:1 ratio to be successful. Napoleon allegedly said: "The amateurs discuss tactics, the professionals discuss logistics."

s1artibartfast 4y ago
>Straight up denial by the PLA; most importantly accusations of "ChinaPhobia" This was far from the case with Russia and Ukraine. Russia mass at the borders and shouted for months that they would invade if their demands were not met. I would wager that most military invasions start with such Behavior opposed to denial and then a blitz. I would instead look for escalatory rhetoric in China and Declarations of hard lines that would trigger invasion of Taiwan.
- floxy 4y ago
  >I would instead look for escalatory rhetoric in China and Declarations of hard lines Has anyone analyzed "China's Final Warning" in contemporary times? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china%27s+final+warning&t=ffab&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china%27s+final+warning&t=ffab&ia=...
  - dirtyid 4y ago
- mint2 4y ago
  > Russia mass at the borders and shouted for months that they would invade if their demands were not met. Except that’s not what happened. They spent months building up troops repeatedly claiming it was just a military training exercise, denying they were building up to invade and that they had “no plans to invade Ukraine” until “whoops we invaded haha we were lying about the drills after all” Yes they were making noise about nato as a pretense to Putin’s imperialism, because concern of nato is a farce. But they continually denied plans to invade. This wasn’t very long ago. It was earlier this year, why are people getting details so wrong?
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    >Yes they were making noise about nato as a pretense to Putin’s imperialism, because concern of nato is a farce. Are you seriously claiming that Russia didn't care if Ukraine was in NATO? There are so many public statements from Russia before the invasion, about their red line and demands. Like you said, this was less than a year ago. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43334/nato-pushes-back-against-russian-president-putins-red-lines-over-ukraine https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43334/nato-pushes-back... https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072413634/russia-nato-ukraine https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072413634/russia-nato-ukrain... https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-delivers-response-to-russian-demands-amid-ukraine-crisis-11643220014 https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-delivers-response-to-russia... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-nato-invasion-demands-rcna9116 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-nato...
    - mint2 4y ago
      > There are so many public statements from Russia before the invasion, about their red line and demands. Sorry, that premise is crucially flawed. It requires believing the Russian government and taking what they say at face value. That’s frankly absurd. Don’t do it. There is the saying “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” Russia is notorious for blatant lies and has been for decades. Let’s review the facts just in the case of nato and Ukraine: In January 2022 Russia’s top diplomat, Sergei lavrov, repeatedly and angrily denied Russia had plans to invaded despite massing 100k troops. A couple weeks later those same troops invaded Ukraine. That’s literally Russia’s government blatantly and obvious lying. Next, Russia claims it was all about feeling threatened by Nato. Their solution was to do the action that was most likely to strengthen nato and has literally spurred countries like Sweden and Finland who had no previous intention of Joining nato to rush for membership. Russias noise about nato is a baseless pretense. Did you know Russia literally imprisons people for calling their war in Ukraine a “war”? Russia doesn’t just lie, it criminalizes truth. But sure be my guest, take Russian government statements at face value.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago

s1artibartfast 4y ago

>Straight up denial by the PLA; most importantly accusations of "ChinaPhobia" This was far from the case with Russia and Ukraine. Russia mass at the borders and shouted for months that they would invade if their demands were not met. I would wager that most military invasions start with such Behavior opposed to denial and then a blitz. I would instead look for escalatory rhetoric in China and Declarations of hard lines that would trigger invasion of Taiwan.

floxy 4y ago
>I would instead look for escalatory rhetoric in China and Declarations of hard lines Has anyone analyzed "China's Final Warning" in contemporary times? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china%27s+final+warning&t=ffab&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china%27s+final+warning&t=ffab&ia=...
- dirtyid 4y ago
mint2 4y ago
> Russia mass at the borders and shouted for months that they would invade if their demands were not met. Except that’s not what happened. They spent months building up troops repeatedly claiming it was just a military training exercise, denying they were building up to invade and that they had “no plans to invade Ukraine” until “whoops we invaded haha we were lying about the drills after all” Yes they were making noise about nato as a pretense to Putin’s imperialism, because concern of nato is a farce. But they continually denied plans to invade. This wasn’t very long ago. It was earlier this year, why are people getting details so wrong?
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  >Yes they were making noise about nato as a pretense to Putin’s imperialism, because concern of nato is a farce. Are you seriously claiming that Russia didn't care if Ukraine was in NATO? There are so many public statements from Russia before the invasion, about their red line and demands. Like you said, this was less than a year ago. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43334/nato-pushes-back-against-russian-president-putins-red-lines-over-ukraine https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43334/nato-pushes-back... https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072413634/russia-nato-ukraine https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072413634/russia-nato-ukrain... https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-delivers-response-to-russian-demands-amid-ukraine-crisis-11643220014 https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-delivers-response-to-russia... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-nato-invasion-demands-rcna9116 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-nato...
  - mint2 4y ago
    > There are so many public statements from Russia before the invasion, about their red line and demands. Sorry, that premise is crucially flawed. It requires believing the Russian government and taking what they say at face value. That’s frankly absurd. Don’t do it. There is the saying “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” Russia is notorious for blatant lies and has been for decades. Let’s review the facts just in the case of nato and Ukraine: In January 2022 Russia’s top diplomat, Sergei lavrov, repeatedly and angrily denied Russia had plans to invaded despite massing 100k troops. A couple weeks later those same troops invaded Ukraine. That’s literally Russia’s government blatantly and obvious lying. Next, Russia claims it was all about feeling threatened by Nato. Their solution was to do the action that was most likely to strengthen nato and has literally spurred countries like Sweden and Finland who had no previous intention of Joining nato to rush for membership. Russias noise about nato is a baseless pretense. Did you know Russia literally imprisons people for calling their war in Ukraine a “war”? Russia doesn’t just lie, it criminalizes truth. But sure be my guest, take Russian government statements at face value.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago