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This is true and unfortunately a lot of CS grads think that they’ll get a programming job right out of college, but fall short of candidates that took a 6 month

This is true and unfortunately a lot of CS grads think that they’ll get a programming job right out of college, but fall short of candidates that took a 6 month bootcamp. It also hurt that most graduates I’ve interviewed can’t program anything more than a simple fizz buzz. Although not strictly CS, I think CS needs to teach codebase design and more on how to use/create apis.

duped 4y ago
That's the opposite take that I think myself and the comment you're replying to is getting at. Boot camp devs are at a massive disadvantage ime, so much so they're soft banned from hiring pipelines without tons of work experience from most places that I've worked.
- jbluepolarbear 4y ago
  Is it though? They’re saying CS isn’t a software engineering degree and doesn’t teach you how to make business software. Bootcamp devs on the other hand are taught how to make software as well as using a plethora of apis and frameworks. Presence of a degree does not guarantee a successful candidate nor does a bootcamp certificate guarantee unsuccessful one. I don’t have a degree and I’ve been a successful, high performing software engineer for over a decade.
  - philomath_mn 4y ago
    Agreed, neither a 4 yr degree nor a bootcamp is a guarantee of success. But one of the biggest things I am looking for out of new grads is base-level systems thinking capabilities. I'd rather have that than dev-skills, and, ime, CS grads tend to be more likely to be trained in that way (but every candidate is unique). But I think bootcamps are at a disadvantage in such comparisons because they tend to be so accelerated -- I wonder what a good 2 year bootcamp curriculum would look like.
    - jbluepolarbear 4y ago
      I guess it’s different requirements. I’d rather a candidate with dev-skills. I haven’t seen any correlation of cs grads being easier to teach. It’s the opposite in my experience; a candidate with dev skills is likely to pick up systems design faster than someone with none.

duped 4y ago

That's the opposite take that I think myself and the comment you're replying to is getting at. Boot camp devs are at a massive disadvantage ime, so much so they're soft banned from hiring pipelines without tons of work experience from most places that I've worked.

jbluepolarbear 4y ago
Is it though? They’re saying CS isn’t a software engineering degree and doesn’t teach you how to make business software. Bootcamp devs on the other hand are taught how to make software as well as using a plethora of apis and frameworks. Presence of a degree does not guarantee a successful candidate nor does a bootcamp certificate guarantee unsuccessful one. I don’t have a degree and I’ve been a successful, high performing software engineer for over a decade.
- philomath_mn 4y ago
  Agreed, neither a 4 yr degree nor a bootcamp is a guarantee of success. But one of the biggest things I am looking for out of new grads is base-level systems thinking capabilities. I'd rather have that than dev-skills, and, ime, CS grads tend to be more likely to be trained in that way (but every candidate is unique). But I think bootcamps are at a disadvantage in such comparisons because they tend to be so accelerated -- I wonder what a good 2 year bootcamp curriculum would look like.
  - jbluepolarbear 4y ago
    I guess it’s different requirements. I’d rather a candidate with dev-skills. I haven’t seen any correlation of cs grads being easier to teach. It’s the opposite in my experience; a candidate with dev skills is likely to pick up systems design faster than someone with none.