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> Europe to become so dependent on a single hostile country for energy. Name peaceful countries that have the capacity for energy export at that scale to Europ

by voidr 4y ago

> Europe to become so dependent on a single hostile country for energy. Name peaceful countries that have the capacity for energy export at that scale to Europe.

dijit 4y ago
I'm downvoting you for attacking a straw-man. 1) the capacity should exist for the EU to be energy independent 2) capacity that cannot be attained need not be supplied by only a single source 3) peaceful countries exist in great amounts but we would consider them either too far to be serviceable without impact to the planet (importing/shipping fuel from Australia or the USA); or we would consider ourselves to be exploiting people (Africa).
- voidr 4y ago
  > I'm downvoting you for attacking a straw-man. It's not that I care, but you should be downvoting spam, not people who have different takes. I'm also puzzled how is it a strawman if I was quoting it. > 1) the capacity should exist for the EU to be energy independent Please show it then and I'll go to Brussels myself and inform them about it. > 2) capacity that cannot be attained need not be supplied by only a single source Maybe instead of downvoting, you should read things first, I used plural 'countries'. > 3) peaceful countries exist in great amounts but we would consider them either too far to be serviceable without impact to the planet I'm sure there is also plenty of gas in the Solar system, yet somehow it might as well not exist from our point of view. > the USA I said peaceful, countries that are constantly at war with other countries don't count as peaceful. > or we would consider ourselves to be exploiting people (Africa). The reason Europe does not buy gas from Africa is because of wars and high terrorism, it would be a nightmare to secure it, even in the Baltic terrorists can blow pipelines up. I also find it curious that you would consider buying energy from Africa exploitation.
alkonaut 4y ago
All of them, as almost all developed nations can now build nuclear, for example. It just requires not being reliant on fossil fuel. Which would have been easy to avoid had the process started earlier. The first mistake was being reliant on gas for energy. The second mistake was that it was Russian gas. It’s the first mistake that should have been avoided, not the second.

by voidr 4y ago

> Europe to become so dependent on a single hostile country for energy. Name peaceful countries that have the capacity for energy export at that scale to Europe.

dijit 4y ago

I'm downvoting you for attacking a straw-man. 1) the capacity should exist for the EU to be energy independent 2) capacity that cannot be attained need not be supplied by only a single source 3) peaceful countries exist in great amounts but we would consider them either too far to be serviceable without impact to the planet (importing/shipping fuel from Australia or the USA); or we would consider ourselves to be exploiting people (Africa).

voidr 4y ago
> I'm downvoting you for attacking a straw-man. It's not that I care, but you should be downvoting spam, not people who have different takes. I'm also puzzled how is it a strawman if I was quoting it. > 1) the capacity should exist for the EU to be energy independent Please show it then and I'll go to Brussels myself and inform them about it. > 2) capacity that cannot be attained need not be supplied by only a single source Maybe instead of downvoting, you should read things first, I used plural 'countries'. > 3) peaceful countries exist in great amounts but we would consider them either too far to be serviceable without impact to the planet I'm sure there is also plenty of gas in the Solar system, yet somehow it might as well not exist from our point of view. > the USA I said peaceful, countries that are constantly at war with other countries don't count as peaceful. > or we would consider ourselves to be exploiting people (Africa). The reason Europe does not buy gas from Africa is because of wars and high terrorism, it would be a nightmare to secure it, even in the Baltic terrorists can blow pipelines up. I also find it curious that you would consider buying energy from Africa exploitation.

alkonaut 4y ago

All of them, as almost all developed nations can now build nuclear, for example. It just requires not being reliant on fossil fuel. Which would have been easy to avoid had the process started earlier. The first mistake was being reliant on gas for energy. The second mistake was that it was Russian gas. It’s the first mistake that should have been avoided, not the second.