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What's the proof it was sabotage though?

toomuchtodo 4y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/nord-stream-blasts-size-equal-to-large-amount-of-explosive-un-told https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/nord-stream... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/truss-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-russia-damage-sabotage https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/truss-nord-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-formally-blames-sabotage-for-nord-stream-pipeline-damage-11664449396 https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-formally-blames-sabotage-f...
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  (https://archive.ph/2022.10.06-112615/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-security-service-concludes-detonation-damaged-nord-stream https://archive.ph/2022.10.06-112615/https://www.bloomberg.c...) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-security-service-concludes-detonation-damaged-nord-stream https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-se...
marginalia_nu 4y ago
If it was just one of the pipelines the question would have merit. The odds of two pipelines spontaneously failing within minutes of each other yet kilometers apart seems slim.
- polishdude20 4y ago
  Do the Russians control the valves for both? I read somewhere from an engineer that it could have been a maintenance mistake.
  - hazmazlaz 4y ago
    I would like to read that take, do you have the source?
    - polishdude20 4y ago
      Found it! https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
hazmazlaz 4y ago
Given such an incredibly low probability of accidental failure, the burden of proof is shifted to the more extraordinary claim. So a better question would be, what's the proof that it wasn't sabotage?
- pGuitar 4y ago
  While probably true, it is nearly impossible to prove a negative.... i.e.: Give me a proof that God doesn't exist
- polishdude20 4y ago
  How about the third possibility? Accident / Incompetence? https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
t6jvcereio 4y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/nord-stream-blasts-size-equal-to-large-amount-of-explosive-un-told https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/nord-stream... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/truss-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-russia-damage-sabotage https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/truss-nord-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-formally-blames-sabotage-for-nord-stream-pipeline-damage-11664449396 https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-formally-blames-sabotage-f...

toomuchtodo 4y ago
(https://archive.ph/2022.10.06-112615/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-security-service-concludes-detonation-damaged-nord-stream https://archive.ph/2022.10.06-112615/https://www.bloomberg.c...) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-security-service-concludes-detonation-damaged-nord-stream https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-06/sweden-se...

marginalia_nu 4y ago

If it was just one of the pipelines the question would have merit. The odds of two pipelines spontaneously failing within minutes of each other yet kilometers apart seems slim.

polishdude20 4y ago
Do the Russians control the valves for both? I read somewhere from an engineer that it could have been a maintenance mistake.
- hazmazlaz 4y ago
  I would like to read that take, do you have the source?
  - polishdude20 4y ago
    Found it! https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

hazmazlaz 4y ago

Given such an incredibly low probability of accidental failure, the burden of proof is shifted to the more extraordinary claim. So a better question would be, what's the proof that it wasn't sabotage?

pGuitar 4y ago
While probably true, it is nearly impossible to prove a negative.... i.e.: Give me a proof that God doesn't exist
polishdude20 4y ago
How about the third possibility? Accident / Incompetence? https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

t6jvcereio 4y ago