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> But we keep geopolitical independence „You can have all the independence you want, as long as it exactly aligns with the US state department.“

incone123 4y ago
I'll take that over aligning with the politburo.
- sgt101 4y ago
  yeah.... it's not good, but it's better than the alternative. And, if we wiggle hard we can probably get out of it in a few years. Once we go under the Russian hand that really will be that.
petre 4y ago
I'll take the US state department over Russia any day, thank you. It's why most Eastern Europeans have no love for FDR and Churchill: they basically gave our countries to Stalin.
- voidr 4y ago
  > I'll take the US state department over Russia any day, thank you. The value of the Euro disagrees.
  - petre 4y ago
    It's because Germany screwed up. The US has long enough told the EU, specifically Germany, to ditch Russian gas and direct 2% of their GDP towards their militaries/NATO. Did Merkel listen? No. Only Poland and to some extent Romania listened. France already had the most capable military in the EU.
    - voidr 4y ago
      > The US has long enough told the EU, specifically Germany, to ditch Russian gas That's kind of like telling the US to ditch China for manufacturing. It would make sense, it's just easier said than done. The issue is that it seems that Europe lacks gas reserves, Russia was a convenient and reliable source and it would have made no economic sense to diversify the same way it makes no economic sense for the US to bring back manufacturing from China. > France already had the most capable military in the EU. The answer to that is World War 2, the Germans were reluctant to militarise, for a while they were outright forbidden to.
- simonh 4y ago
  Stalin was taking them anyway. Failed to take them away from Stalin yes, I suppose we could have started WW3 in 1945 and tried to nuke our way across Eastern Europe to Moscow.
  - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    Based and Patton pilled.

incone123 4y ago

I'll take that over aligning with the politburo.

sgt101 4y ago
yeah.... it's not good, but it's better than the alternative. And, if we wiggle hard we can probably get out of it in a few years. Once we go under the Russian hand that really will be that.

petre 4y ago

I'll take the US state department over Russia any day, thank you. It's why most Eastern Europeans have no love for FDR and Churchill: they basically gave our countries to Stalin.

voidr 4y ago
> I'll take the US state department over Russia any day, thank you. The value of the Euro disagrees.
- petre 4y ago
  It's because Germany screwed up. The US has long enough told the EU, specifically Germany, to ditch Russian gas and direct 2% of their GDP towards their militaries/NATO. Did Merkel listen? No. Only Poland and to some extent Romania listened. France already had the most capable military in the EU.
  - voidr 4y ago
    > The US has long enough told the EU, specifically Germany, to ditch Russian gas That's kind of like telling the US to ditch China for manufacturing. It would make sense, it's just easier said than done. The issue is that it seems that Europe lacks gas reserves, Russia was a convenient and reliable source and it would have made no economic sense to diversify the same way it makes no economic sense for the US to bring back manufacturing from China. > France already had the most capable military in the EU. The answer to that is World War 2, the Germans were reluctant to militarise, for a while they were outright forbidden to.
simonh 4y ago
Stalin was taking them anyway. Failed to take them away from Stalin yes, I suppose we could have started WW3 in 1945 and tried to nuke our way across Eastern Europe to Moscow.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  Based and Patton pilled.