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Actual question: The U.S. has many laws that prohibit discrimination against or require common carriers to do business with members of various groups. Among tho

Actual question: The U.S. has many laws that prohibit discrimination against or require common carriers to do business with members of various groups. Among those groups are races, genders, religions and nationalities. Why would groups defined by partisanship or other values be exempt from such laws? Freedom of association is a perfectly good answer for a partisan group, in my mind. But why is it a less good answer, constitutionally, for those other groups? Under current law the constitutional line between things a business may and must not discriminate against does not appear to be very bright.

LatteLazy 4y ago
I agree. But will a conservative-appointed, computer illiterate SCOTUS see it that way?
triceratops 4y ago
Because race, gender, and nationality are unchangeable. Religion seems like it is changeable, but it isn't really*. And in any case, none of them are actions. Speech is an action. Saying you can't be banned from a private venue for your speech (or any other action) runs contrary to everything we currently hold true about private property. You always have the choice to not do or say something if you wish to continue enjoying access to that private property. But you can't stop being X nationality or Y religion. * Go on, go change your religion right now. Like for real. With actual, deeply-held, genuine faith. Did it work?
- hirundo 4y ago
  Go on, go change your ideology right now. Like for real. With actual, deeply-held genuine belief. Did it work? You can't distinguish ideology from religion so easily. Religion is just what we call ideology on a theological topic.
  - triceratops 4y ago
    What "ideology"? I don't have an ideology. I have a bunch of opinions on various topics that I've formed based on what I've read, seen, heard, or been taught. Show me new data or give me different experiences, and I'd change my mind on those specific issues. People stick with the same religion through trials and tribulations. They change their political affiliation and vote for candidates of different parties pretty frequently. Don't treat politics like religion.

LatteLazy 4y ago

I agree. But will a conservative-appointed, computer illiterate SCOTUS see it that way?

triceratops 4y ago

Because race, gender, and nationality are unchangeable. Religion seems like it is changeable, but it isn't really*. And in any case, none of them are actions. Speech is an action. Saying you can't be banned from a private venue for your speech (or any other action) runs contrary to everything we currently hold true about private property. You always have the choice to not do or say something if you wish to continue enjoying access to that private property. But you can't stop being X nationality or Y religion. * Go on, go change your religion right now. Like for real. With actual, deeply-held, genuine faith. Did it work?

hirundo 4y ago
Go on, go change your ideology right now. Like for real. With actual, deeply-held genuine belief. Did it work? You can't distinguish ideology from religion so easily. Religion is just what we call ideology on a theological topic.
- triceratops 4y ago
  What "ideology"? I don't have an ideology. I have a bunch of opinions on various topics that I've formed based on what I've read, seen, heard, or been taught. Show me new data or give me different experiences, and I'd change my mind on those specific issues. People stick with the same religion through trials and tribulations. They change their political affiliation and vote for candidates of different parties pretty frequently. Don't treat politics like religion.