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>The flu shot is an exceptionally poor-performing vaccine and the Covid vaccines are similarly bad or even worse. Especially the side effects are bad compared t

>The flu shot is an exceptionally poor-performing vaccine and the Covid vaccines are similarly bad or even worse. Especially the side effects are bad compared to other vaccines. I have a suspicion that every vaccine ever created was poor performing ( yes, I'm an anti-vaxxer if you wish). The flu happens so frequently that most ordinary people can anecdotally compute it's (in) effectiveness. This is less true for the less frequent diseases where the vaccine can always take credit for the non-existence of the disease, And when the disease popups occasionally (clueless) people are told that it would have be far more serious had the shot not being taken. If the rare disease did show up in large numbers, people are told that it's different strain. My point being with so many variables it's difficult to credit the vaccine for its effectiveness. But if one steps aside and looks at the financial/scientific motives for pushing a vaccine (sunken cost fallacy), the vaccine's supposed effectiveness not matching ground reality becomes clear. *sunken cost fallacy= we have spent billions and 5 years of research, and have not effective vaccine to show, what do we do?

nicolas_t 4y ago
So how do you explain this graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_number_of_reported_smallpox_cases_(1920-2016).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu... which shows the global number of reported smallpox cases. There's a pretty dramatic drop in the 1970s. Do you have any explanation for that if the vaccines were poor performing? How about polio? [2] I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your suspicion with those facts? Are Polio and Smallpox the "less frequent diseases" you mention? They definitely were not less frequent for a long part of human history. My grandmother knew kids who died of Polio and everyone from her generation I've talked to had horror stories about this disease (also why people her generation were a lot less reluctant to vaccines.. ) I'm genuinely curious in your perspective. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Number_of_poliovirus_cases_by_year.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Number_of_poliovirus_case...
- dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
  >I'm genuinely curious in your perspective. Thanks, that helps a lot. Let me explain to the extent that I have explored. My memory is sketchy, but I did it several years back while cross checking the infamous anti-vaxxers, to see if they were making things up. >So how do you explain this graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu... which shows the global number of reported smallpox cases. Treat mainstream graphs/statistics with suspicion. They hide ground realities and sometimes the numbers can be outright made up. > There's a pretty dramatic drop in the 1970s. Do you have any explanation for that if the vaccines were poor performing? There were villages in the world were the smallpox vaccine did not work at all. ( I vaguely recollect UK, and India). I also have some first hand account of form previous generations in a place that i lived (obviously I'm not going to give myself away) where smallpox was supposed to be rampant. It was rampant only among the poor and underfed that were living in squalor, The well fed did not have it. Part of the success of the vaccine can be attributed to the cleaning up of the filthy conditions where people with small pox lived. >How about polio? [2] >I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your suspicion with those facts? Are Polio and Smallpox the "less frequent diseases" you mention? They were very less frequent ( almost non-existent) among the well fed and healthy. If you look at contemporary literature by medical practitioners during the time Polio ( and SP) were prevalent you see see a lot of speculation as to what the reasons were - ranging form contaminated wells, bed-bugs to DDT. DDT was one of the chemicals supposed to result in polio. I think Pakistan still uses DDT and polio indeed exists there. There are also conditions which I believe I now labeled by other names which are similar to polio. The renaming of conditions in every generation is also something you will discover if you were to read the works of medical practitioners of the past. >They definitely were not less frequent for a long part of human history. My grandmother knew kids who died of Polio and everyone from her generation I've talked to had horror stories about this disease No one is denying that people died, it's just that I have come to believe that the causes have been covered up, and every thing has been blamed on a difficult to prove virus. My point is that the hard link between a vaccine introduction and disease eradication is not consistent, infact in some cases you will find that the vaccine administration actually introduced the disease. >(also why people her generation were a lot less reluctant to vaccines.. ) People will actually do anything when they are scared, including prayer, sacrifices, and the modern day educated version - vaccines, without critical evaluation. There is a larger point that I want to make, That is when you doubt the mainstream narrative, you really have to go outside of your comfort zone and look for obscure literature that is counter-narrative. That's countless hours of investigation that will not show up in a simple google search.

nicolas_t 4y ago

So how do you explain this graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_number_of_reported_smallpox_cases_(1920-2016).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu... which shows the global number of reported smallpox cases. There's a pretty dramatic drop in the 1970s. Do you have any explanation for that if the vaccines were poor performing? How about polio? [2] I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your suspicion with those facts? Are Polio and Smallpox the "less frequent diseases" you mention? They definitely were not less frequent for a long part of human history. My grandmother knew kids who died of Polio and everyone from her generation I've talked to had horror stories about this disease (also why people her generation were a lot less reluctant to vaccines.. ) I'm genuinely curious in your perspective. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Number_of_poliovirus_cases_by_year.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Number_of_poliovirus_case...

dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
>I'm genuinely curious in your perspective. Thanks, that helps a lot. Let me explain to the extent that I have explored. My memory is sketchy, but I did it several years back while cross checking the infamous anti-vaxxers, to see if they were making things up. >So how do you explain this graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#/media/File:Global_nu... which shows the global number of reported smallpox cases. Treat mainstream graphs/statistics with suspicion. They hide ground realities and sometimes the numbers can be outright made up. > There's a pretty dramatic drop in the 1970s. Do you have any explanation for that if the vaccines were poor performing? There were villages in the world were the smallpox vaccine did not work at all. ( I vaguely recollect UK, and India). I also have some first hand account of form previous generations in a place that i lived (obviously I'm not going to give myself away) where smallpox was supposed to be rampant. It was rampant only among the poor and underfed that were living in squalor, The well fed did not have it. Part of the success of the vaccine can be attributed to the cleaning up of the filthy conditions where people with small pox lived. >How about polio? [2] >I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your suspicion with those facts? Are Polio and Smallpox the "less frequent diseases" you mention? They were very less frequent ( almost non-existent) among the well fed and healthy. If you look at contemporary literature by medical practitioners during the time Polio ( and SP) were prevalent you see see a lot of speculation as to what the reasons were - ranging form contaminated wells, bed-bugs to DDT. DDT was one of the chemicals supposed to result in polio. I think Pakistan still uses DDT and polio indeed exists there. There are also conditions which I believe I now labeled by other names which are similar to polio. The renaming of conditions in every generation is also something you will discover if you were to read the works of medical practitioners of the past. >They definitely were not less frequent for a long part of human history. My grandmother knew kids who died of Polio and everyone from her generation I've talked to had horror stories about this disease No one is denying that people died, it's just that I have come to believe that the causes have been covered up, and every thing has been blamed on a difficult to prove virus. My point is that the hard link between a vaccine introduction and disease eradication is not consistent, infact in some cases you will find that the vaccine administration actually introduced the disease. >(also why people her generation were a lot less reluctant to vaccines.. ) People will actually do anything when they are scared, including prayer, sacrifices, and the modern day educated version - vaccines, without critical evaluation. There is a larger point that I want to make, That is when you doubt the mainstream narrative, you really have to go outside of your comfort zone and look for obscure literature that is counter-narrative. That's countless hours of investigation that will not show up in a simple google search.