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Wow. WOW. I didn't think Red Ventures was this quick to exit the market. This is not a good sign for the future of game journalism. Disclaimer: I worked at CBS

Wow. WOW. I didn't think Red Ventures was this quick to exit the market. This is not a good sign for the future of game journalism. Disclaimer: I worked at CBS Interactive/ViacomCBS Streaming during the original properties sale to Red Ventures.

buscoquadnary 4y ago
Game journalism has been dead for a long time. No one who is serious about games pays any attention to it, and they routinely mock everyone in games journalism, making constant comments about "journalist mode" that plays the game for you, etc, because they hold them in such low respect. Beyond that it seems like half the articles coming out in "games" journalism these days seem more interested in pushing specific political positions and discussing identity politics than actually discussing games exacerbates the problem. Games journalism is dead it's been dead for a while, anyone making money in it right now is just involved trying to make the last few bucks before it evaporates.
- astrange 4y ago
  > making constant comments about "journalist mode" that plays the game for you This is a bad criticism because it’s about Dean Takahashi, whose actual problem is he’s just kept around to give softball interviews to CEOs to make them feel good, but nobody actually noticed this so just remember he can’t play Cuphead.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    No, this is the fallout for gamergate. People aren't stupid, that "game journalists" were basically in bed (metaphorically speaking) with the game publishers/developers themselves was a _very_ common complaint. When it was revealed a reviewer was _literally_ sleeping with a game developer, it boiled over. Gaming journalism could have chosen to defend themselves by creating some sort of standard. Instead, they took advantage of the internet being vitriolic to try and turn this into a debate about misogyny. What you're seeing now is the fallout of that decision. People don't trust them. Because it turns out, attacking your audience and labeling them as sexist assholes isn't a great idea.
    - astrange 4y ago
      No, it’s not a general point, they’re making a specific joke about a specific video by a specific guy. Who isn’t one of the liberal arts degree blogger types who wants to replace game reviews with leftist politics lectures either. He writes for a business journal.
      - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
        no, THEY made a specific point, _I_ made the general point. There were plenty of people AT THE TIME talking about the hubris of the gaming media in thinking they could attack their audience. They did it anyway. so now we're seeing people talking about how the reason gaming journalism is in a race to the bottom is that their audience doesn't trust them and trust is the only real value they had so they're being squeezed from the top and bottom.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > Game journalism has been dead for a long time. The way I often put it... Gaming journalists are neither gamers or journalists. High-quality, factual content is usually boring. Gamers won't read it. So for a journalist to cover gaming, they'll have to resort to making clickbait and ragebait, and at that point, the quality is so low that I don't think it's fair to still call it journalism, as it would be an insult to the word. Then there's the multitude of journalists that just simply don't understand games. They're so bad at games that you start to wonder if they're even capable of completing 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    That speaks very poorly of games I guess. Not interested in anything but bait... Makes sense if they're all 12-year-olds (or the emotional equivalent)

buscoquadnary 4y ago

Game journalism has been dead for a long time. No one who is serious about games pays any attention to it, and they routinely mock everyone in games journalism, making constant comments about "journalist mode" that plays the game for you, etc, because they hold them in such low respect. Beyond that it seems like half the articles coming out in "games" journalism these days seem more interested in pushing specific political positions and discussing identity politics than actually discussing games exacerbates the problem. Games journalism is dead it's been dead for a while, anyone making money in it right now is just involved trying to make the last few bucks before it evaporates.

astrange 4y ago
> making constant comments about "journalist mode" that plays the game for you This is a bad criticism because it’s about Dean Takahashi, whose actual problem is he’s just kept around to give softball interviews to CEOs to make them feel good, but nobody actually noticed this so just remember he can’t play Cuphead.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  No, this is the fallout for gamergate. People aren't stupid, that "game journalists" were basically in bed (metaphorically speaking) with the game publishers/developers themselves was a _very_ common complaint. When it was revealed a reviewer was _literally_ sleeping with a game developer, it boiled over. Gaming journalism could have chosen to defend themselves by creating some sort of standard. Instead, they took advantage of the internet being vitriolic to try and turn this into a debate about misogyny. What you're seeing now is the fallout of that decision. People don't trust them. Because it turns out, attacking your audience and labeling them as sexist assholes isn't a great idea.
  - astrange 4y ago
    No, it’s not a general point, they’re making a specific joke about a specific video by a specific guy. Who isn’t one of the liberal arts degree blogger types who wants to replace game reviews with leftist politics lectures either. He writes for a business journal.
    - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
      no, THEY made a specific point, _I_ made the general point. There were plenty of people AT THE TIME talking about the hubris of the gaming media in thinking they could attack their audience. They did it anyway. so now we're seeing people talking about how the reason gaming journalism is in a race to the bottom is that their audience doesn't trust them and trust is the only real value they had so they're being squeezed from the top and bottom.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> Game journalism has been dead for a long time. The way I often put it... Gaming journalists are neither gamers or journalists. High-quality, factual content is usually boring. Gamers won't read it. So for a journalist to cover gaming, they'll have to resort to making clickbait and ragebait, and at that point, the quality is so low that I don't think it's fair to still call it journalism, as it would be an insult to the word. Then there's the multitude of journalists that just simply don't understand games. They're so bad at games that you start to wonder if they're even capable of completing 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  That speaks very poorly of games I guess. Not interested in anything but bait... Makes sense if they're all 12-year-olds (or the emotional equivalent)