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Could you elaborate please? PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. Why this "rampant cheating that will ultimately ruin games across consoles" did

by deelly 4y ago

Could you elaborate please? PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. Why this "rampant cheating that will ultimately ruin games across consoles" did not happened already with jailbroken PS4?

filoleg 4y ago
> Could you elaborate please? PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. Yeah, which is why if you go on subreddits for any major multiplayer game that supports crossplay between PC and consoles (like COD Warzone), you will see a lot of people recommending to turn off crossplay to avoid dealing with cheaters, because pretty much all of them come from PC. I usually have no issues playing with crossplay enabled on release of a new game, but a month or so after, I end up disabling it most of the time for that exact reason.
fellellor 4y ago
Is it because in a PC you can have other programs running in parallel that can look into/modify the memory bits of a running game and in the process “hack” it? But in a closed system like a game console you can’t just run your own unapproved software, which drastically reduces the number of ways a game can be “hacked”.
landr0id 4y ago
Mostly because PS4 didn't get hardware hacked. All of the hacks were software exploits that could be patched before folks were able to leverage them to bring their consoles online with cheats. iirc it did happen a couple of times though. >PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. PC games also ship with anti-cheat. Why ship anti-cheat to a console that's supposed to be secure?
acomjean 4y ago
PC games have these weird all-powerful anticheet detection software. I'm not sure what its doing, but its trying to catch bad actors. Slightly scary the permissions it uses. (I play a little fornite on my partner's pc occasionally). That game (fort nite) seems to have interesting change in visuals, random NPCs walking around and different looking characters natively. I wonder how much of that is an attempt to tamp down on cheating. eg: https://www.easy.ac/en-us/ https://www.easy.ac/en-us/
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Anticheat software is not good at preventing cheaters compared to what modern consoles offer.
SkyPuncher 4y ago
Several games I play have implemented match making that allows you to play against only other console players. There are still soft/weak cheats, like recoil control and silly name-tag hacks, but the hard cheats, like aimbots, simply do not exist on consoles.
ThatPlayer 4y ago
Because a jailbroken PS4 doesn't stay jailbroken with a reboot. The system's secure boot hasn't been broken. So a system update that fixes the exploit and requiring that firmware to go online is all that's needed to keep jailbroken PS4s out of online multiplayer games. Breaking this would require an exploit in the bootloader.

by deelly 4y ago

filoleg 4y ago

> Could you elaborate please? PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. Yeah, which is why if you go on subreddits for any major multiplayer game that supports crossplay between PC and consoles (like COD Warzone), you will see a lot of people recommending to turn off crossplay to avoid dealing with cheaters, because pretty much all of them come from PC. I usually have no issues playing with crossplay enabled on release of a new game, but a month or so after, I end up disabling it most of the time for that exact reason.

fellellor 4y ago

Is it because in a PC you can have other programs running in parallel that can look into/modify the memory bits of a running game and in the process “hack” it? But in a closed system like a game console you can’t just run your own unapproved software, which drastically reduces the number of ways a game can be “hacked”.

landr0id 4y ago

Mostly because PS4 didn't get hardware hacked. All of the hacks were software exploits that could be patched before folks were able to leverage them to bring their consoles online with cheats. iirc it did happen a couple of times though. >PC players play on jailbroken (in a sense) machine. PC games also ship with anti-cheat. Why ship anti-cheat to a console that's supposed to be secure?

acomjean 4y ago

PC games have these weird all-powerful anticheet detection software. I'm not sure what its doing, but its trying to catch bad actors. Slightly scary the permissions it uses. (I play a little fornite on my partner's pc occasionally). That game (fort nite) seems to have interesting change in visuals, random NPCs walking around and different looking characters natively. I wonder how much of that is an attempt to tamp down on cheating. eg: https://www.easy.ac/en-us/ https://www.easy.ac/en-us/

charcircuit 4y ago
Anticheat software is not good at preventing cheaters compared to what modern consoles offer.

SkyPuncher 4y ago

Several games I play have implemented match making that allows you to play against only other console players. There are still soft/weak cheats, like recoil control and silly name-tag hacks, but the hard cheats, like aimbots, simply do not exist on consoles.

ThatPlayer 4y ago

Because a jailbroken PS4 doesn't stay jailbroken with a reboot. The system's secure boot hasn't been broken. So a system update that fixes the exploit and requiring that firmware to go online is all that's needed to keep jailbroken PS4s out of online multiplayer games. Breaking this would require an exploit in the bootloader.