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Katalin Karikó was robbed, unless they are giving mRNA vaccines as chemistry.

dosshell 4y ago
Why Katalin Karikó and not Robert Malone? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone
- fsh 4y ago
  From your link: The New York Times, in an article about Malone, reported: "While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone."
- kken 4y ago
  I know nothing about this, but this passage in the Wiki article that you linked points at some controversy: >While Malone promotes himself as an inventor of mRNA vaccines,[1][7] credit for the distinction is more often given to the lead authors on the major papers he contributed to (such as Felgner and Wolff), later advances by Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman,[3][19] or Moderna co-founder Derrick Rossi.[13] Ultimately, mRNA vaccines were the decades-long result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone.[3][20] The New York Times, in an article about Malone, reported: "While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone."[7]
- dosshell 4y ago
  Addon: I do not promote that Malone get Nobel price (just first google hit). What I meant to ask was what Karinó did that is special related to all other work in this field.
ISL 4y ago
The Nobel Committees sometimes take quite a while to get around to deserving researchers. It is not a rapid-response organization. The only exception I'm aware of in modern times is the high-Tc superconductor prize in Physics. Results announced in March, prize awarded in October -- it was so obviously important and trivially demonstrated as correct.
- dooglius 4y ago
  LIGO is another example
  - ISL 4y ago
    GW150914 was detected in September of 2015 -- the associated prize wasn't awarded until 2017. That award followed the very important detection of GW170817 in August 2017, which featured the critical detection of an optical signature in parallel with the GW signal. mRNA is definitely in a similar regime today. A promising technology led to vaccines in trials by autumn 2020, and oodles of shots-in-arms by autumn 2021. In 2022, the mRNA technology is on very solid footing for having saved millions of lives. The Committees definitely could award one or more mRNA prizes this year, but they may have other prizes they need to award before a worthy recipient passes away.

Why Katalin Karikó and not Robert Malone? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

fsh 4y ago
From your link: The New York Times, in an article about Malone, reported: "While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone."
kken 4y ago
I know nothing about this, but this passage in the Wiki article that you linked points at some controversy: >While Malone promotes himself as an inventor of mRNA vaccines,[1][7] credit for the distinction is more often given to the lead authors on the major papers he contributed to (such as Felgner and Wolff), later advances by Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman,[3][19] or Moderna co-founder Derrick Rossi.[13] Ultimately, mRNA vaccines were the decades-long result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone.[3][20] The New York Times, in an article about Malone, reported: "While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone."[7]
dosshell 4y ago
Addon: I do not promote that Malone get Nobel price (just first google hit). What I meant to ask was what Karinó did that is special related to all other work in this field.

ISL 4y ago

The Nobel Committees sometimes take quite a while to get around to deserving researchers. It is not a rapid-response organization. The only exception I'm aware of in modern times is the high-Tc superconductor prize in Physics. Results announced in March, prize awarded in October -- it was so obviously important and trivially demonstrated as correct.

dooglius 4y ago
LIGO is another example
- ISL 4y ago
  GW150914 was detected in September of 2015 -- the associated prize wasn't awarded until 2017. That award followed the very important detection of GW170817 in August 2017, which featured the critical detection of an optical signature in parallel with the GW signal. mRNA is definitely in a similar regime today. A promising technology led to vaccines in trials by autumn 2020, and oodles of shots-in-arms by autumn 2021. In 2022, the mRNA technology is on very solid footing for having saved millions of lives. The Committees definitely could award one or more mRNA prizes this year, but they may have other prizes they need to award before a worthy recipient passes away.