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They are not that amazing. At least those that are being most commonly used now, Shahed-136 "rebranded" as Geran-2 in Russia. They are rather slow and very nois

by agapon 4y ago

They are not that amazing. At least those that are being most commonly used now, Shahed-136 "rebranded" as Geran-2 in Russia. They are rather slow and very noisy . Ukraine claims that 29 of them were shot down while 12 hit their targets. They had a benefit of surprise when they started being used, but not any longer. BTW, people in Ukraine call those Shaheds "mopeds" because of their engine sound.

agapon 4y ago
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-video-featuring-the-destruction-of-the-iranian-shahed-136-uav-in-dnipropetrovsk-region-appeared/ https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-video-featuring-the-destruction-...
unity1001 4y ago
> Ukraine claims If we go by Ukraine's claims, they should have been at the gates of Moscow at this point. So, just forget that. > 12 hit their targets You don't seem to be aware that even if we trusted that number from Ukraine itself, it would still qualify as a majestic performance since the drones are dirt cheap. > They had a benefit of surprise when they started being used, but not any longer. The actual videos from the front tell a different story.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > If we go by Ukraine’s claims, they should have been at the gates of Moscow at this point. Ukraine has never claimed an intent to enter Russian territory, so that is clearly false. > You don’t seem to be aware that even if we trusted that number from Ukraine itself, it would still qualify as a majestic performance since the drones are dirt cheap. It is a demonstration that Ukraine’s air defenses have focused on what Russia had and was using previously, and not this particular threat. Israel’s performance against this and more advanced Iranian drones (and the fact that Israel keeps jets even though it is the world leader in this class of munitions) are pretty good signals that while these kind of munitions have a role in modern combat, they aren’t magic trump cards that replace manned jets in general, or even just for ground strike roles. This thread is a pretty good breakdown: https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1574414714469335046 https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1574414714469335046

by agapon 4y ago

agapon 4y ago

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-video-featuring-the-destruction-of-the-iranian-shahed-136-uav-in-dnipropetrovsk-region-appeared/ https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-video-featuring-the-destruction-...

unity1001 4y ago

> Ukraine claims If we go by Ukraine's claims, they should have been at the gates of Moscow at this point. So, just forget that. > 12 hit their targets You don't seem to be aware that even if we trusted that number from Ukraine itself, it would still qualify as a majestic performance since the drones are dirt cheap. > They had a benefit of surprise when they started being used, but not any longer. The actual videos from the front tell a different story.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> If we go by Ukraine’s claims, they should have been at the gates of Moscow at this point. Ukraine has never claimed an intent to enter Russian territory, so that is clearly false. > You don’t seem to be aware that even if we trusted that number from Ukraine itself, it would still qualify as a majestic performance since the drones are dirt cheap. It is a demonstration that Ukraine’s air defenses have focused on what Russia had and was using previously, and not this particular threat. Israel’s performance against this and more advanced Iranian drones (and the fact that Israel keeps jets even though it is the world leader in this class of munitions) are pretty good signals that while these kind of munitions have a role in modern combat, they aren’t magic trump cards that replace manned jets in general, or even just for ground strike roles. This thread is a pretty good breakdown: https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1574414714469335046 https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1574414714469335046