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The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning s

by rany_ 4y ago

The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse (similar to what's going on with Discord and other Electron app mods).

jve 4y ago
I'm not into position commenting Manifest V2 vs V3 as I don't write extensions. > The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. But... what different is it than installing software? And "big scary warning" is what one of things Windows UAC brought you. It helps some folks, but otherwise it is "just push OK". I like how Android/iOS handles - I can approve/reject specific permission upon request and only grant it while using app/this time only.
- rany_ 4y ago
  Well, the big scary warning is important to grab the attention of people that don't understand the significance of installing said extension. You'd be surprised by the amount of people that are shocked by the fact that an extension they installed has blanket permissions.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    Exactly. You see the motivation now.
    - rany_ 4y ago
      I see the "motivation" but I meant that if they were being genuine they should have attempted better extension install screens. The current one just lists "Access to all websites" as a normal permission as if it's no big deal.
random_cynic 4y ago
> I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads (at least not enough to actively make any change). If the ads become too annoying they'll just skip the video or won't visit a website again and the people serving the ads know that.
- djvdq 4y ago
  > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads 43% of internet users are blocking ads. It's not only tech people who are doing this. https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/ https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/
  - wildrhythms 4y ago
    Do we just assume nobody in that 43% group is using iOS?
    - jen20 4y ago
      Assuming that would be wrong. I use iOS and block ads agggressively.
- mmis1000 4y ago
  > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. Which is even more problematic. Because they will literally click random exe people send to them. And also the reason Edge decides to default to reject random unpopular unsigned exe downloaded from internet.
robertlagrant 4y ago
People who don't understand browsers (i.e. almost anyone) aren't buffoons, any more than people who can't change their car's oil are buffoons. They just don't understand this rapidly changing field and they have a day job.

by rany_ 4y ago

jve 4y ago

I'm not into position commenting Manifest V2 vs V3 as I don't write extensions. > The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. But... what different is it than installing software? And "big scary warning" is what one of things Windows UAC brought you. It helps some folks, but otherwise it is "just push OK". I like how Android/iOS handles - I can approve/reject specific permission upon request and only grant it while using app/this time only.

rany_ 4y ago
Well, the big scary warning is important to grab the attention of people that don't understand the significance of installing said extension. You'd be surprised by the amount of people that are shocked by the fact that an extension they installed has blanket permissions.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  Exactly. You see the motivation now.
  - rany_ 4y ago
    I see the "motivation" but I meant that if they were being genuine they should have attempted better extension install screens. The current one just lists "Access to all websites" as a normal permission as if it's no big deal.

random_cynic 4y ago

> I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads (at least not enough to actively make any change). If the ads become too annoying they'll just skip the video or won't visit a website again and the people serving the ads know that.

djvdq 4y ago
> Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads 43% of internet users are blocking ads. It's not only tech people who are doing this. https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/ https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/
- wildrhythms 4y ago
  Do we just assume nobody in that 43% group is using iOS?
  - jen20 4y ago
    Assuming that would be wrong. I use iOS and block ads agggressively.
mmis1000 4y ago
> Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. Which is even more problematic. Because they will literally click random exe people send to them. And also the reason Edge decides to default to reject random unpopular unsigned exe downloaded from internet.

robertlagrant 4y ago

People who don't understand browsers (i.e. almost anyone) aren't buffoons, any more than people who can't change their car's oil are buffoons. They just don't understand this rapidly changing field and they have a day job.