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It's a pipe dream that we could have regulatory sense, but if they were standardised this would not be a problem, you'd just pay $200/kWh or whatever the going

It's a pipe dream that we could have regulatory sense, but if they were standardised this would not be a problem, you'd just pay $200/kWh or whatever the going rate is at the time.

brianwawok 4y ago
I don’t want standard boring in my phones (I iPhone) and I don’t want standard boring cars in my car (I Tesla). In both cases I opt into vendor repair lock-in for a better product.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  Proprietary monoliths where you have to take or leave the entire package based on what is most profitable is not how you get creativity and innovation. If you had to rent your cell phone off of ma bell with no other equipment allowed on the network we wouldn't have iphones. If roads had ford specific infrastructure like the future elon imagines we wouldn't have tesla. A balance between interoperability, end user control, and freedom for manufacturers is how you get innovation. In the current auto market you have none of the above.
_ea1k 4y ago
That's not too far off from the cost for a replacement for the Model S packs. It can be much less expensive than $200/kwh for third party shops, as the bad battery can be refurbished often offsetting much of the cost.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  In both of those cases the cost is $x and a mostly functional battery. This is substantially higher than $x and will track with the cost of dealing with whatever anti repair countermeasures tesla puts in place, not the cost of storage..
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    For all the talk of "anti repair countermeasures", its not really something that we've seen in practice. Refurbishing batteries just isn't a cheap thing to do. It sounds like there may even be a fully new battery option available for early Model S vehicles in the near future.
    - Schroedingersat 4y ago
      https://electrek.co/2021/01/19/tesla-structural-battery-pack-first-picture/ https://electrek.co/2021/01/19/tesla-structural-battery-pack...

It's a pipe dream that we could have regulatory sense, but if they were standardised this would not be a problem, you'd just pay $200/kWh or whatever the going rate is at the time.

brianwawok 4y ago

I don’t want standard boring in my phones (I iPhone) and I don’t want standard boring cars in my car (I Tesla). In both cases I opt into vendor repair lock-in for a better product.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
Proprietary monoliths where you have to take or leave the entire package based on what is most profitable is not how you get creativity and innovation. If you had to rent your cell phone off of ma bell with no other equipment allowed on the network we wouldn't have iphones. If roads had ford specific infrastructure like the future elon imagines we wouldn't have tesla. A balance between interoperability, end user control, and freedom for manufacturers is how you get innovation. In the current auto market you have none of the above.

_ea1k 4y ago

That's not too far off from the cost for a replacement for the Model S packs. It can be much less expensive than $200/kwh for third party shops, as the bad battery can be refurbished often offsetting much of the cost.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
In both of those cases the cost is $x and a mostly functional battery. This is substantially higher than $x and will track with the cost of dealing with whatever anti repair countermeasures tesla puts in place, not the cost of storage..
- _ea1k 4y ago
  For all the talk of "anti repair countermeasures", its not really something that we've seen in practice. Refurbishing batteries just isn't a cheap thing to do. It sounds like there may even be a fully new battery option available for early Model S vehicles in the near future.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    https://electrek.co/2021/01/19/tesla-structural-battery-pack-first-picture/ https://electrek.co/2021/01/19/tesla-structural-battery-pack...