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> I’m not sure why you’ve been downvoted Because "Covid 19 was engineered in a lab, then released" is nothing but a conspiracy theory.

tormeh 4y ago
Conspiracy to cover up a mistake, maybe. There's no way to know, but given what is known about the origin of covid it's too plausible to just dismiss. We'll just have to live with the ambiguity.
leetrout 4y ago
You jumped to some conclusions. OP said a lab accident. This could have been from an animal sample. Everyone seems to conflate lab leak with lab manufacture (or jump further to purposeful leak).
- chihuahua 4y ago
  In addition to what you said (conflating lab leak with various things), there's another factor: Early on, the people who were funding the gain-of-function research at WIV put out a statement that considering possibility of lab leak == racism, and some people are still following those orders. There is no proof that it was or was not a lab leak, engineered or not, intentional or not. Whatever evidence there was has been destroyed.
thrown_22 4y ago
There's a difference between escape and release. Not sure why you put words in my mouth.
- justinator 4y ago
  I'm certainly not putting words in your mouth. You asked why you were being downvoted. I mentioned that there's a conspiracy theory along the lines of what you're saying. In no way did I say, "YOU'RE propagating a conspiracy theory". Just that there is a thing, and that thing is in some way influencing people's opinion on your comment. That does not imply intent.
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    > You asked why you were being downvoted. I did not.
BlueTemplar 4y ago
That the governments have tried to make appear the theory of a lab leak, contrary to expert opinion, as "exceedingly unlikely" is now a conspiracy fact, not theory. If you want some theory, then : The Wuhan Virology Institute database has been taken offline in September 2019. And investment was made in aeration systems. French intelligence agencies have been mandated to investigate in autumn 2019. (The October 2019 Wuhan military sports games would have been a good occasion.) Then, in January 2020, the passengers list for a military plane from Wuhan to France didn't match. Those are facts too, the theory part is the way I put them together. (Could have been a coincidence of course.) P.S.: Also relevant to the article here is the relationship between the French nuclear program and the Wuhan lab. (Both need pretty extreme safety, so I guess it's not surprising how the know-how from the former resulted in the latter !)

tormeh 4y ago

Conspiracy to cover up a mistake, maybe. There's no way to know, but given what is known about the origin of covid it's too plausible to just dismiss. We'll just have to live with the ambiguity.

leetrout 4y ago

You jumped to some conclusions. OP said a lab accident. This could have been from an animal sample. Everyone seems to conflate lab leak with lab manufacture (or jump further to purposeful leak).

chihuahua 4y ago
In addition to what you said (conflating lab leak with various things), there's another factor: Early on, the people who were funding the gain-of-function research at WIV put out a statement that considering possibility of lab leak == racism, and some people are still following those orders. There is no proof that it was or was not a lab leak, engineered or not, intentional or not. Whatever evidence there was has been destroyed.

thrown_22 4y ago

There's a difference between escape and release. Not sure why you put words in my mouth.

justinator 4y ago
I'm certainly not putting words in your mouth. You asked why you were being downvoted. I mentioned that there's a conspiracy theory along the lines of what you're saying. In no way did I say, "YOU'RE propagating a conspiracy theory". Just that there is a thing, and that thing is in some way influencing people's opinion on your comment. That does not imply intent.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  > You asked why you were being downvoted. I did not.

BlueTemplar 4y ago

That the governments have tried to make appear the theory of a lab leak, contrary to expert opinion, as "exceedingly unlikely" is now a conspiracy fact, not theory. If you want some theory, then : The Wuhan Virology Institute database has been taken offline in September 2019. And investment was made in aeration systems. French intelligence agencies have been mandated to investigate in autumn 2019. (The October 2019 Wuhan military sports games would have been a good occasion.) Then, in January 2020, the passengers list for a military plane from Wuhan to France didn't match. Those are facts too, the theory part is the way I put them together. (Could have been a coincidence of course.) P.S.: Also relevant to the article here is the relationship between the French nuclear program and the Wuhan lab. (Both need pretty extreme safety, so I guess it's not surprising how the know-how from the former resulted in the latter !)