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3k? That’s a Prius salvage battery. EV batteries won’t get replaced in 20k cars anymore than engines are. You total it out at that point.

admax88qqq 4y ago
Engine replacements are complicated. Many specific parts. Battery replacements may be much easier to complete.
- jjav 4y ago
  > Engine replacements are complicated. Many specific parts. If you buy a full replacement engine (as opposed to parts to rebuild an engine), replacement is quick and easy in an ICE. In endurance racing an engine can often be replaced in less than 30 minutes. In non-racing conditions you'd do it a bit slower but it's not hard.
  - danaris 4y ago
    I would imagine that cars built for endurance racing, where this is known to be a common thing, would be designed to make it easy, while cars built for the general public will not have such a guarantee—some will be easy, some will be annoying, and some will be outright pains.
    - jjav 4y ago
      > I would imagine that cars built for endurance racing At the higher end of professional racing, those are custom built cars. But for most categories of racing, endurance race cars are just regular street cars. Hondas, Mazdas and BMWs are what I've raced or crewed with.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
It's a pipe dream that we could have regulatory sense, but if they were standardised this would not be a problem, you'd just pay $200/kWh or whatever the going rate is at the time.
- brianwawok 4y ago
  I don’t want standard boring in my phones (I iPhone) and I don’t want standard boring cars in my car (I Tesla). In both cases I opt into vendor repair lock-in for a better product.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    Proprietary monoliths where you have to take or leave the entire package based on what is most profitable is not how you get creativity and innovation. If you had to rent your cell phone off of ma bell with no other equipment allowed on the network we wouldn't have iphones. If roads had ford specific infrastructure like the future elon imagines we wouldn't have tesla. A balance between interoperability, end user control, and freedom for manufacturers is how you get innovation. In the current auto market you have none of the above.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  That's not too far off from the cost for a replacement for the Model S packs. It can be much less expensive than $200/kwh for third party shops, as the bad battery can be refurbished often offsetting much of the cost.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    In both of those cases the cost is $x and a mostly functional battery. This is substantially higher than $x and will track with the cost of dealing with whatever anti repair countermeasures tesla puts in place, not the cost of storage..
    - _ea1k 4y ago
      For all the talk of "anti repair countermeasures", its not really something that we've seen in practice. Refurbishing batteries just isn't a cheap thing to do. It sounds like there may even be a fully new battery option available for early Model S vehicles in the near future.
bitwize 4y ago
You total it out when the hood gets a dent, so ultimately what does it matter?

admax88qqq 4y ago

Engine replacements are complicated. Many specific parts. Battery replacements may be much easier to complete.

jjav 4y ago
> Engine replacements are complicated. Many specific parts. If you buy a full replacement engine (as opposed to parts to rebuild an engine), replacement is quick and easy in an ICE. In endurance racing an engine can often be replaced in less than 30 minutes. In non-racing conditions you'd do it a bit slower but it's not hard.
- danaris 4y ago
  I would imagine that cars built for endurance racing, where this is known to be a common thing, would be designed to make it easy, while cars built for the general public will not have such a guarantee—some will be easy, some will be annoying, and some will be outright pains.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > I would imagine that cars built for endurance racing At the higher end of professional racing, those are custom built cars. But for most categories of racing, endurance race cars are just regular street cars. Hondas, Mazdas and BMWs are what I've raced or crewed with.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

It's a pipe dream that we could have regulatory sense, but if they were standardised this would not be a problem, you'd just pay $200/kWh or whatever the going rate is at the time.

brianwawok 4y ago
I don’t want standard boring in my phones (I iPhone) and I don’t want standard boring cars in my car (I Tesla). In both cases I opt into vendor repair lock-in for a better product.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  Proprietary monoliths where you have to take or leave the entire package based on what is most profitable is not how you get creativity and innovation. If you had to rent your cell phone off of ma bell with no other equipment allowed on the network we wouldn't have iphones. If roads had ford specific infrastructure like the future elon imagines we wouldn't have tesla. A balance between interoperability, end user control, and freedom for manufacturers is how you get innovation. In the current auto market you have none of the above.
_ea1k 4y ago
That's not too far off from the cost for a replacement for the Model S packs. It can be much less expensive than $200/kwh for third party shops, as the bad battery can be refurbished often offsetting much of the cost.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  In both of those cases the cost is $x and a mostly functional battery. This is substantially higher than $x and will track with the cost of dealing with whatever anti repair countermeasures tesla puts in place, not the cost of storage..
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    For all the talk of "anti repair countermeasures", its not really something that we've seen in practice. Refurbishing batteries just isn't a cheap thing to do. It sounds like there may even be a fully new battery option available for early Model S vehicles in the near future.

bitwize 4y ago

You total it out when the hood gets a dent, so ultimately what does it matter?