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Nope, they're doing just fine writing for BTS etc.: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bts-red-velvet.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0

Nope, they're doing just fine writing for BTS etc.: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bts-red-velvet.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bt...

thaumasiotes 4y ago
But they aren't. The headline of that very article (ok, the subhed) notes that they aren't capable of writing Korean songs and don't try. This is repeated in the text: > Carlebecker writes in English, and then Korean songwriters add new lyrics to her melodies
- consumer451 4y ago
  > Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been more popular in the past, for multiple reasons.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    > Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components A B C It's as easy as 1 2 3 Doe Rae Me You and me or: 1 2 3 4 I am going to keep on counting 5 6 7 8 Yep.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      P.S. both of those lyrics are from hit songs. The first from the Jackson 5, the second Gloria Estefan.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvious that the two songs are the same. > I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song.
    - pronlover723 4y ago
      Plenty of anime, jpop, and kpop songs translated and sung by fans in English. They do a great job of making the lyrics fit, rhyme, and feel like an English song. I've actually been kind of shocked how good they are given how poor many professional subtitle translation are. Like recently watching Cyberpunk 2077 and the English subtitles are not remotely close to the Japanese dialog
    - Kiro 4y ago
      I never listen to lyrics. Even when I've heard a song hundreds of time I wouldn't be able to tell you what it is about. For me, the vocals are just another instrument and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what language they are in.
    - NSMutableSet 4y ago
      >Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song. You're pedantically correct according to the original definition of the word "song". But in modern usage, the word is used interchangeably with "instrumental" and "track". It's used to refer to everything as a whole, whether or not there are lyrics. Lyricless music is not as popular today as it was during the peak of EDM, but instrumental tracks were/are still referred to as "songs", even though they technically did not contain a song, since there were no lyrics.
      - 4y ago

Nope, they're doing just fine writing for BTS etc.: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bts-red-velvet.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bt...

thaumasiotes 4y ago

But they aren't. The headline of that very article (ok, the subhed) notes that they aren't capable of writing Korean songs and don't try. This is repeated in the text: > Carlebecker writes in English, and then Korean songwriters add new lyrics to her melodies

consumer451 4y ago
> Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been more popular in the past, for multiple reasons.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  > Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components A B C It's as easy as 1 2 3 Doe Rae Me You and me or: 1 2 3 4 I am going to keep on counting 5 6 7 8 Yep.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    P.S. both of those lyrics are from hit songs. The first from the Jackson 5, the second Gloria Estefan.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvious that the two songs are the same. > I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song.
  - pronlover723 4y ago
    Plenty of anime, jpop, and kpop songs translated and sung by fans in English. They do a great job of making the lyrics fit, rhyme, and feel like an English song. I've actually been kind of shocked how good they are given how poor many professional subtitle translation are. Like recently watching Cyberpunk 2077 and the English subtitles are not remotely close to the Japanese dialog
  - Kiro 4y ago
    I never listen to lyrics. Even when I've heard a song hundreds of time I wouldn't be able to tell you what it is about. For me, the vocals are just another instrument and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what language they are in.
  - NSMutableSet 4y ago
    >Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song. You're pedantically correct according to the original definition of the word "song". But in modern usage, the word is used interchangeably with "instrumental" and "track". It's used to refer to everything as a whole, whether or not there are lyrics. Lyricless music is not as popular today as it was during the peak of EDM, but instrumental tracks were/are still referred to as "songs", even though they technically did not contain a song, since there were no lyrics.
    - 4y ago