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I disagree. A cheater would desperately attempt to latch on to anything they can to show they are not a cheater. So they would generally refuse even more to

I disagree. A cheater would desperately attempt to latch on to anything they can to show they are not a cheater. So they would generally refuse even more to give back any money and just repeat the “not cheating” mantra ever more and more— and would definitely never give back the money that they cheated so hard to get… just my opinion. The fact that she gives back the money (and I see no reason to disbelieve that she was likely cornered and intimidated in the hallway) shows that she’s not really that concerned about it and doesn’t really even care that much. A cheater would be grasping on to those chips at all costs/odds.

jstx1 4y ago
Unless you're bad at cheating and get caught and then panic. Not everyone has the personality to double down.
- late2part 4y ago
  I've probably played around 10k hours of poker. On the one hand, crazy shit happens all the time, and folks win by sucking out or by insane bluffs. On the other hand, it's not considered honorable to win by mistake. Winning by catching a 3% is luck - but just screwing up isn't cool. So, even though $130k (or whatever it was) seems like a lot of money - there is honor among (some/most) poker players, so it seems totally honorable to me that she gave him the money, as she doesn't feel she deserves it. I don't know how she would have cheated. Maybe she did but it doesn't seem to me like she did.
  - jstx1 4y ago
    The honor thing doesn't play - she doesn't claim that she won by mistake. She claimed that 1) she thought he had ace high (still doesn't make sense to call with j high) 2) she thought she had a 3 (that's when she changed her story after the game) > I don't know how she would have cheated. It's a streamed game, there's an RFID system that reads everyone's cards. You don't need magic to cheat, you just need an inside person.
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    - ScoobleDoodle 4y ago
      At the time of calling the all-in, she was more likely to lose. So she would also need to know the next cards to be played. It seems even less likely the house or dealer are in on it. How would RFID know the top cards yet to come? They are still in the deck.
      - jstx1 4y ago
        > At the time of calling the all-in, she was more likely to lose. This is based on the equity shown on the stream which takes into account the dead cards, if you only know the board and their hole cards, she has 54.55% equity. Either way she should call because she needs 40.3% equity to break even (109/(109+161)), any equity more than that is a call and she doesn't need to know what cards will come for that call to be profitable.
      - late2part 4y ago
        True - but what a hero call if right!
    - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
      The RFID only works at a few millimeters distance. It's useless when trying to read a deck of cards since you'd get multiple responses and would be unable to determine the order of cards. The inside person doesn't bear scrutiny either. What would this inside person do to pull this off exactly?
  - rplst8 4y ago
    > On the other hand, it's not considered honorable to win by mistake. Winning by catching a 3% is luck - but just screwing up isn't cool. It's poker there is no honor in poker. Bluffing is part of the game.
dylan604 4y ago
Admitedly, I have zero experience of this level of cheating, so I honestly don't know what someone would do. However, "from the movies" (ha!) professional cheaters expect to be caught on occasion and consider it cost of doing business. For cards, I'm thinking about Rounders as an example. Hollywood wouldn't lie to us, right?

jstx1 4y ago

Unless you're bad at cheating and get caught and then panic. Not everyone has the personality to double down.

late2part 4y ago
I've probably played around 10k hours of poker. On the one hand, crazy shit happens all the time, and folks win by sucking out or by insane bluffs. On the other hand, it's not considered honorable to win by mistake. Winning by catching a 3% is luck - but just screwing up isn't cool. So, even though $130k (or whatever it was) seems like a lot of money - there is honor among (some/most) poker players, so it seems totally honorable to me that she gave him the money, as she doesn't feel she deserves it. I don't know how she would have cheated. Maybe she did but it doesn't seem to me like she did.
- jstx1 4y ago
  The honor thing doesn't play - she doesn't claim that she won by mistake. She claimed that 1) she thought he had ace high (still doesn't make sense to call with j high) 2) she thought she had a 3 (that's when she changed her story after the game) > I don't know how she would have cheated. It's a streamed game, there's an RFID system that reads everyone's cards. You don't need magic to cheat, you just need an inside person.
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  - ScoobleDoodle 4y ago
    At the time of calling the all-in, she was more likely to lose. So she would also need to know the next cards to be played. It seems even less likely the house or dealer are in on it. How would RFID know the top cards yet to come? They are still in the deck.
    - jstx1 4y ago
      > At the time of calling the all-in, she was more likely to lose. This is based on the equity shown on the stream which takes into account the dead cards, if you only know the board and their hole cards, she has 54.55% equity. Either way she should call because she needs 40.3% equity to break even (109/(109+161)), any equity more than that is a call and she doesn't need to know what cards will come for that call to be profitable.
    - late2part 4y ago
      True - but what a hero call if right!
  - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
    The RFID only works at a few millimeters distance. It's useless when trying to read a deck of cards since you'd get multiple responses and would be unable to determine the order of cards. The inside person doesn't bear scrutiny either. What would this inside person do to pull this off exactly?
- rplst8 4y ago
  > On the other hand, it's not considered honorable to win by mistake. Winning by catching a 3% is luck - but just screwing up isn't cool. It's poker there is no honor in poker. Bluffing is part of the game.

dylan604 4y ago

Admitedly, I have zero experience of this level of cheating, so I honestly don't know what someone would do. However, "from the movies" (ha!) professional cheaters expect to be caught on occasion and consider it cost of doing business. For cards, I'm thinking about Rounders as an example. Hollywood wouldn't lie to us, right?