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If you haven't been watching the low-code/no-code space you may be in for a rude awakening. These tools continue to get better every day. The target is only "g

by nhance 4y ago

If you haven't been watching the low-code/no-code space you may be in for a rude awakening. These tools continue to get better every day. The target is only "good enough" and once reached it presents an outsized advantage over custom builds. I fully expect no-code/low-code to grow in nearly permanent ways within many organizations.

bornfreddy 4y ago
Any examples that are interesting?
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  For example Oracle APEX comes with their DB and has a lot of capabilities. https://apex.oracle.com/en/ https://apex.oracle.com/en/ The demo video takes you through creating a full blown database backed app with maps and other geo features, from nothing more than an initial CSV file. The code backing the app is represented as database tables, so you can use queries to explore the app. The core issue is really the same one the no-code/low-code platforms have always had, or even that VB6 had - the ramp isn't smooth. Eventually you hit the limits of the tool or there's a business requirement the tool can't meet and you get stuck. Often that requirement may be something indirect and non-obvious, like growing the team to the point where you start needing 'real' abstractions, or keeping up with some new feature the underlying platforms added that competitors are exploiting but which aren't exposed. Hence why so many companies have mobile apps that are just ordinary Android/iOS apps instead of written using low-code tools.
  - gw99 4y ago
    I've been through that "no code" cycle at least three times, ironically including Oracle in two of those cycles, and they always died on their ass. I suspect the same will happen again. It's really hard to build something generic enough. MS Access was as near to it as was feasible I suspect.
    - thorin 4y ago
      Oracle Apex has been around for over 20 years and is still in use by many people who have Oracle Db or product installations so if it is dying, it isn't dying quickly. It's actually really good for a lot of use cases.
  - mawadev 4y ago
    I worked with apex and I must say, the premise and structure are nice and you learn the basic architecture of web apps as a beginner. BUT the performance is _very bad_ if you don't throw money at oracle. The final nail in the coffin was when customers want you to build something that the blackbox doesn't offer. You are in for a wild wild ride, because whatever happens in the backend is undocumented, you cannot debug it properly.

by nhance 4y ago

bornfreddy 4y ago

Any examples that are interesting?

mike_hearn 4y ago
For example Oracle APEX comes with their DB and has a lot of capabilities. https://apex.oracle.com/en/ https://apex.oracle.com/en/ The demo video takes you through creating a full blown database backed app with maps and other geo features, from nothing more than an initial CSV file. The code backing the app is represented as database tables, so you can use queries to explore the app. The core issue is really the same one the no-code/low-code platforms have always had, or even that VB6 had - the ramp isn't smooth. Eventually you hit the limits of the tool or there's a business requirement the tool can't meet and you get stuck. Often that requirement may be something indirect and non-obvious, like growing the team to the point where you start needing 'real' abstractions, or keeping up with some new feature the underlying platforms added that competitors are exploiting but which aren't exposed. Hence why so many companies have mobile apps that are just ordinary Android/iOS apps instead of written using low-code tools.
- gw99 4y ago
  I've been through that "no code" cycle at least three times, ironically including Oracle in two of those cycles, and they always died on their ass. I suspect the same will happen again. It's really hard to build something generic enough. MS Access was as near to it as was feasible I suspect.
  - thorin 4y ago
    Oracle Apex has been around for over 20 years and is still in use by many people who have Oracle Db or product installations so if it is dying, it isn't dying quickly. It's actually really good for a lot of use cases.
- mawadev 4y ago
  I worked with apex and I must say, the premise and structure are nice and you learn the basic architecture of web apps as a beginner. BUT the performance is _very bad_ if you don't throw money at oracle. The final nail in the coffin was when customers want you to build something that the blackbox doesn't offer. You are in for a wild wild ride, because whatever happens in the backend is undocumented, you cannot debug it properly.