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If you have Volt and want a very reliable without troubles EV only substitute that is good value, take a look at Nissan Leaf. Yes there is talk it will be repla

If you have Volt and want a very reliable without troubles EV only substitute that is good value, take a look at Nissan Leaf. Yes there is talk it will be replaced in 2025, however it is the oldest and most dependable EV out there, current 2nd generation is exceeding the 1st in reliability, which was already the most reliable EV by far. It’s not sexy or has cool flat screens or futuristic controls. Instead it just works, well, and for low price. Some passengers don’t even realize they are in an EV until they notice it’s too quiet. I’m sure this comment will tick off lots of other fanboys who will come bashing it, but it’s nonsense.

1053r 4y ago
Only if you want a battery that will die fast. Nissan made an insane decision early on to not heat or cool their batteries, and also not go with a battery chemistry that is resistant to degradation in the heat. 10 years in, all those early LEAFs have been scrapped or needed battery swaps due to like 75%!!! range loss in some cases! Meanwhile, Tesla, while notorious for fit/finish issues, has similar vintage cars that are still on their first battery with less than 20% loss of range. Yes, the LEAF is "reliable." It reliably goes when you step on the accelerator, and everything else is reliable as well, except for the drivetrain, which reliably loses range to the point where the car is totaled because Nissan raised battery prices just as a tidal wave of vehicles needed them. There's a reason Tesla is outselling every other EV in North America. Part of it is that they are able to source materials, but they are the only ones with a "good enough" mix of reliability and build quality on everything but the drivetrain, a bulletproof drivetrain, and a reliable and widespread charging network. Teslas aren't perfect, and there's room for a fast follower company to beat them, especially on fit, finish, convenience, and luxurious cabins, but that would require an Apple like attention to both detail and supply chains.
- alchemist1e9 4y ago
  Totally false information. Though a common misconception that comes from the Nissan Leaf being the first mass produced EV and the first to discover issues with battery degradation in hot or cold climates, this was an issue in 1st generation that is long gone, yet your out of date narrative has stuck in many minds. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/21/surprise-nissan-leaf-batteries-last-much-longer-than-expected/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/21/surprise-nissan-leaf-ba... Your 75% number is completely absurd and fabricated. Teslas are a different price range than a Leaf and frankly not worth it my opinion.

1053r 4y ago

Only if you want a battery that will die fast. Nissan made an insane decision early on to not heat or cool their batteries, and also not go with a battery chemistry that is resistant to degradation in the heat. 10 years in, all those early LEAFs have been scrapped or needed battery swaps due to like 75%!!! range loss in some cases! Meanwhile, Tesla, while notorious for fit/finish issues, has similar vintage cars that are still on their first battery with less than 20% loss of range. Yes, the LEAF is "reliable." It reliably goes when you step on the accelerator, and everything else is reliable as well, except for the drivetrain, which reliably loses range to the point where the car is totaled because Nissan raised battery prices just as a tidal wave of vehicles needed them. There's a reason Tesla is outselling every other EV in North America. Part of it is that they are able to source materials, but they are the only ones with a "good enough" mix of reliability and build quality on everything but the drivetrain, a bulletproof drivetrain, and a reliable and widespread charging network. Teslas aren't perfect, and there's room for a fast follower company to beat them, especially on fit, finish, convenience, and luxurious cabins, but that would require an Apple like attention to both detail and supply chains.

alchemist1e9 4y ago
Totally false information. Though a common misconception that comes from the Nissan Leaf being the first mass produced EV and the first to discover issues with battery degradation in hot or cold climates, this was an issue in 1st generation that is long gone, yet your out of date narrative has stuck in many minds. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/21/surprise-nissan-leaf-batteries-last-much-longer-than-expected/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/21/surprise-nissan-leaf-ba... Your 75% number is completely absurd and fabricated. Teslas are a different price range than a Leaf and frankly not worth it my opinion.