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Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't hel
by logisticpeach 4y ago
Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain.
Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk.
The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way.
I'm probably missing some life changing use-case, but apeing art in random styles can't be it.
- _zoltan_ 4y agowhat other domain would you suggest which requires roughly the same skill set?
- victor9000 4y agoWell, robots have been better than humans at playing chess for decades now, and we still have chess players.
- eru 4y agoMore impressively, chess has not only survived as a human past time. But we still have professional human chess players.
- soulofmischief 4y agoPeople said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. The next generation will normalize these tools and find incredible ways to be creative within their new cutting edge medium. The post-art world is here! Just think about how history books will remember this period! The styles that will be borne of necessity, of the need to break down art and find what makes it tick.
- etrautmann 4y agoYep, I see this as a start, and very curious to see the ways in which it’ll get used with a human in the loop, and also the ways human artists will be pushed to creat art that’s out of distribution for these models.
- avereveard 4y agoEven then, few artist got famous on technical skill alone, surely less than those who got famous primarily for their message irregardless of their skill. And this is before getting into the endless pit of defining what art is. Besides having an ai doing the legwork is no much different than Veronese giving large swath of paintings to his novices while focusing on the two/three major parts.
- etrautmann 4y agoI think we agree then - if new technologies allow an artist to more rapidly explore, iterate, and refine a particular message, then those artists should still have something to create beyond what is possible with these images.
- avereveard 4y agoYes! Was expanding and building a little.
- LeoPanthera 4y ago> People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. Did they? Because I don't think they did. I think most people were amazed by all these technologies.
- nopenopenopeno 4y agoI am a filmmaker and most films are essentially crafted this way. Beyond hiring and securing resources, directors essentially create by communicating ideas in short prompts because there isn’t enough time to do anything more. I could absolutely see an AI model doing the job of an entire film crew. I have issues with this, but only with respect to the longer term aggregate affects on culture in the broad sense. I cannot honestly believe that much would be lost from the perspective of one project or another.
- educaysean 4y agoI'm of the opposite opinion. AI assisted art is simply the natural next chapter for "art" as a whole. It will finally kickstart the public discourse about what being an artist means in the perspective of artistic vision vs execution. Most artists spend their lives not refining their brush stroke, but rather their eyes. The way I see it, the impact of curation and artistic direction will matter more and more in the future.
- intelVISA 4y agoAs with programming, an AI model cannot replace the key parts but can help automate the monotony. For me it's exciting to use as placeholder art and then have a 'real' artist review it.
- odessacubbage 4y agoi find myself mentally unable to comprehend people who believe that the drawing part of drawing is monotony. discovering that this mindset not only exists but is widespread has been equally as disturbing as any ai advancement.
- intelVISA 4y agoNot me, I enjoy drawing; perhaps I should've used the word 'manual' instead
- kchod 4y agoI would look at it as more of "allowing normal people access to unbefore-dreamed-of levels of draftsmanship" vs some comment on capital-A Art. It allows non-artists to express themselves visually. I'm biased: I've been working on an image generation app. But the beta users I've had so far will generate fifty or a hundred images in a day. That isn't a use case traditional artists support.
- pizza 4y ago> reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain It will; I think the reason we're seeing diffusion models applied to image generation first, is that it's a task that meshes well with the models. But also in general I think people will still be guided by the principle "use the right tool for the job" - this is just another tool. I doubt that the set of paths toward realization for any given needed creative imagery collapses to just "use a model"
- capitalsigma 4y agoI don't know why everyone assumes that ML researchers have some big map of the future where they can make decisions like "yeah, let's choose this branch over here, where AI gets good at generating art first, rather than that other one where it cures cancer a decade earlier." The breakthroughs come where they come, and no one knows where some model architecture will have an application in the future.
- bawolff 4y ago> only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. I hate arguments like this. Even ignoring how dismisive it is of the achievement at hand, why would you assume ingenuity is transferable like that? Someone who makes a breakthrough in physics is by no means likely to have made an equivalently ground breaking advance in biology if they had decided to study that field instead.
- logisticpeach 4y agoAside from the fact that I explicitly praised the achievment, my point actually relies on said appreciation. I guess my musing was hypothetical but I was careless in communicating that. I get that we can't centrally plan innovation or human effort - and I certainly wouldn't want to live in a society where this was the case.
- bawolff 4y agoRespectfully, you can praise the achievement while still being dismissive. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
- capitalsigma 4y agoI think this phrase actually means "I don't want to seem like a Luddite, but now that AI is disrupting something that I personally care about, I'm no longer enthusiastic about progress"