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Didn't Maverick pull this off in Top Gun?

capableweb 4y ago
Also a common maneuver in Ace Combat, speaking about fictional uses.
favflam 4y ago
He did a manual wing sweep on the Tomcat to pull up and force an overshoot of the Sukhoi. Growling Sidewinder on youtube says that is a Cobra.
breck 4y ago
I wasn't there, but IIRC it was a 5th gen fighter against Maverick and Rooster in an F-14 that pulled this off. Unfortunately for the 5th gen pilot it later came down to the pilot, not the plane, and he became splash 2.
- jmvoodoo 4y ago
  I think that was actually something called the Kvochur bell, not the cobra.
loloquwowndueo 4y ago
So. He does the “deceleration by using the F-14 variable wing sweep” twice - once in Top Gun and once in Top Gun: Maverick. He also does an actual “high angle of attack” cobra on an F-18 in TG: M.
acidburnNSA 4y ago
In Top Gun 1 he did something like it twice in an F-14 against the MiGs: "I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by". Once in the first dogfight and then again in the last one.
bazillion 4y ago
In Top Gun 2, he uses it twice. Once, during the training dogfight where Rooster has a chance to shoot him down (he says, "Too late, you had your chance" and then pulls off the maneuver, targeting Rooster instead afterwards). After the training dogfight, he is told by Cyclone, "...and I don't ever want to see that Cobra shit again. That could have gotten you both killed". The second time was towards the end when they're fending off the SAM attacks -- Rooster is in trouble with no flares to launch, and Maverick simultaneously pulls off a Cobra Maneuver while launching his own set of flairs, resulting in his own aircraft being hit.
- bentcorner 4y ago
  Top Gun 2 is really a fantastic movie but for anybody skipping the film here's the clips: First time: https://youtu.be/zlWmeo-4ulw?t=72 https://youtu.be/zlWmeo-4ulw?t=72 Second time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwBwJiyQ_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwBwJiyQ_g Tom Cruise is kind of a weirdo but his films are incredibly entertaining.
  - bongobingo1 4y ago
    The film is ... filmed in/with real aircraft too. Obviously there are stand in effects when they're exploding missiles, but the in-cockpit shots are all practical "effects" of the actors sitting in second seat. Real canopies, real g-forces, etc. Pretty cool!
- trevorishere 4y ago
  > flares Which do nothing for radar-guided SAMs... but pumping out chaff wouldn't be very visually impressive (if you could see it at all). And of course, the strike package would have been accompanied by the EA-18G Growler to jam SAM radar.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    > And of course, the strike package would have been accompanied by the EA-18G Growler to jam SAM radar. Well it should have been preceded by a Wild Weasel mission to take out the SAM radars and launchers. The Growler mission would just be extra SAM defense. There also should have been a counter-air element to deal with the enemy fighters flying CAP. There was enough intelligence available for the mission every fixed SAM site should have eaten a couple Tomahawks in addition to the airfield. It's also a mystery why the whole facility wasn't just leveled by some B-2s loaded with GBU-37s. There would have been fewer dog fights but that probably would have been ok.
    - trevorishere 4y ago
      Good point about the B-2. Does the Navy even perform Wild Weasel? That's usually the F-16's job and we can only "assume" that it was out of range of any USAF or collation airbase. Of course, the country in question would have to be Iran due to the F-14... though the Felon hasn't been shipped outside (or inside of...heh) Russia. And of course we come back to 'it's a movie' :-)
ozim 4y ago
Yeah so you know it is just as believable maneuver as crane kick from Karate Kid :)

Also a common maneuver in Ace Combat, speaking about fictional uses.

He did a manual wing sweep on the Tomcat to pull up and force an overshoot of the Sukhoi. Growling Sidewinder on youtube says that is a Cobra.

breck 4y ago

I wasn't there, but IIRC it was a 5th gen fighter against Maverick and Rooster in an F-14 that pulled this off. Unfortunately for the 5th gen pilot it later came down to the pilot, not the plane, and he became splash 2.

jmvoodoo 4y ago
I think that was actually something called the Kvochur bell, not the cobra.

loloquwowndueo 4y ago

So. He does the “deceleration by using the F-14 variable wing sweep” twice - once in Top Gun and once in Top Gun: Maverick. He also does an actual “high angle of attack” cobra on an F-18 in TG: M.

acidburnNSA 4y ago

In Top Gun 1 he did something like it twice in an F-14 against the MiGs: "I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by". Once in the first dogfight and then again in the last one.

bazillion 4y ago

In Top Gun 2, he uses it twice. Once, during the training dogfight where Rooster has a chance to shoot him down (he says, "Too late, you had your chance" and then pulls off the maneuver, targeting Rooster instead afterwards). After the training dogfight, he is told by Cyclone, "...and I don't ever want to see that Cobra shit again. That could have gotten you both killed". The second time was towards the end when they're fending off the SAM attacks -- Rooster is in trouble with no flares to launch, and Maverick simultaneously pulls off a Cobra Maneuver while launching his own set of flairs, resulting in his own aircraft being hit.

bentcorner 4y ago
Top Gun 2 is really a fantastic movie but for anybody skipping the film here's the clips: First time: https://youtu.be/zlWmeo-4ulw?t=72 https://youtu.be/zlWmeo-4ulw?t=72 Second time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwBwJiyQ_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwBwJiyQ_g Tom Cruise is kind of a weirdo but his films are incredibly entertaining.
- bongobingo1 4y ago
  The film is ... filmed in/with real aircraft too. Obviously there are stand in effects when they're exploding missiles, but the in-cockpit shots are all practical "effects" of the actors sitting in second seat. Real canopies, real g-forces, etc. Pretty cool!
trevorishere 4y ago
> flares Which do nothing for radar-guided SAMs... but pumping out chaff wouldn't be very visually impressive (if you could see it at all). And of course, the strike package would have been accompanied by the EA-18G Growler to jam SAM radar.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  > And of course, the strike package would have been accompanied by the EA-18G Growler to jam SAM radar. Well it should have been preceded by a Wild Weasel mission to take out the SAM radars and launchers. The Growler mission would just be extra SAM defense. There also should have been a counter-air element to deal with the enemy fighters flying CAP. There was enough intelligence available for the mission every fixed SAM site should have eaten a couple Tomahawks in addition to the airfield. It's also a mystery why the whole facility wasn't just leveled by some B-2s loaded with GBU-37s. There would have been fewer dog fights but that probably would have been ok.
  - trevorishere 4y ago
    Good point about the B-2. Does the Navy even perform Wild Weasel? That's usually the F-16's job and we can only "assume" that it was out of range of any USAF or collation airbase. Of course, the country in question would have to be Iran due to the F-14... though the Felon hasn't been shipped outside (or inside of...heh) Russia. And of course we come back to 'it's a movie' :-)

ozim 4y ago

Yeah so you know it is just as believable maneuver as crane kick from Karate Kid :)