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I agree that it’d be nice if he could deliver on more of his promises, but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management. Also, most other companies

by uup 4y ago

I agree that it’d be nice if he could deliver on more of his promises, but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management. Also, most other companies promise really mundane and uninteresting things. Sure, they deliver, but it’s still not much fun.

dragontamer 4y ago
> but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management. And evaluating the dreams and funding them is the job of investors. Just following the hype betrays your own money, your own agency, and possibly makes the world a worse place. (The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption) We all know this is a big advertisement for Tesla's stock, and maybe advertisements for workers to join Tesla. Now we can discuss if its worthwhile for shareholders and/or engineers to consider what was seen here.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption One guy wrote a badly sourced article claiming this and now its a proven fact. Its total nonsense. Even if you believe that Hyperloop was some 4D chess against HDR (and it wasn't) then its still insane to suggest it has anything to do with the problems of HSR. The HSR project started in the 90s and has been struggling the whole time. Blaming a few statements by Musk made in 2014 that 99% of the population no nothing about is delusional. HSR funding wasn't cut because of Hyperloop. Literally no California government action happened because of Hyperloop. I seriously think you are letting your dislike for Musk overwhelm basic logic.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then. Its been 9 years since Musk proposed it in 2013. You're latching onto a single phrase of my post and ignoring the problem here. Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money. My point, is that investors (ie: shareholders) need to think about what to fund, or not to fund. Engineers who apply to his company, need to think about which teams to support and which teams to ignore. I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful. Disney / Boston Dynamics / Honda / etc. etc. have gotten far further with robot technology if anyone actually wants to join a competent team. -------- If Hyperloop isn't weirdly bad enough for you, then Elon Musk's random obsession with Bitcoin and Dogecoin was also quite harmful.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      > Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then. Nothing. I didn't make any argument that they hyperloop was good. Not sure where I got the idea that I did. > Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money. He never gathered investors for the hyperloop. So not sure why you would bring it up as an example. > I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful. Well, Tesla is a pretty big company, this project is a tiny part of their budget and is heavily based on projects they work on for other things as well. And Tesla and Musk clearly disagree that this could be useful. Again, please tell me what investor has Musk harmed. I guess people might have bought some crypto currencies because musk likes them, but that their responsibility and those people are not investors. Musk never said those things will make money for them.
      - dragontamer 4y ago
        https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musk-258-billion-dogecoin-lawsuit-expands-2022-09-07/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musk-258-billion-dog... Don't just trust anything this guy says. Evaluate and think.
        fastball 4y ago
        So by "investors" you meant "people who bought Dogecoin thinking it would be a good investment". Personally that sounds more like Elon Musk has allegedly harmed gamblers.
        dragontamer 4y ago
        By "investors", I mean Elon Musk fanbois who got burned listening to his tweets on Dogecoin. The same fanbois who are about to get burned on this Optimus robot and Tesla stock, IMO anyway. This is all a huge waste of money for the car company. The same fanbois / Tesla investors who got $Billion of dollars of Tesla's investment money trapped in BTC at the height of the Bitcoin bubble. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/tesla-converted-75percent-of-bitcoin-purchases-to-fiat-currency-in-q2-2022.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/tesla-converted-75percent-of... SPO -> $Billion gathered from Tesla shareholders / investors, that money went into BTC and WAS GAMBLED by the technoking. But no biggie, they'll just SPO again and get more money from the next set of share buyers.

by uup 4y ago

dragontamer 4y ago

> but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management. And evaluating the dreams and funding them is the job of investors. Just following the hype betrays your own money, your own agency, and possibly makes the world a worse place. (The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption) We all know this is a big advertisement for Tesla's stock, and maybe advertisements for workers to join Tesla. Now we can discuss if its worthwhile for shareholders and/or engineers to consider what was seen here.

panick21_ 4y ago
> The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption One guy wrote a badly sourced article claiming this and now its a proven fact. Its total nonsense. Even if you believe that Hyperloop was some 4D chess against HDR (and it wasn't) then its still insane to suggest it has anything to do with the problems of HSR. The HSR project started in the 90s and has been struggling the whole time. Blaming a few statements by Musk made in 2014 that 99% of the population no nothing about is delusional. HSR funding wasn't cut because of Hyperloop. Literally no California government action happened because of Hyperloop. I seriously think you are letting your dislike for Musk overwhelm basic logic.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then. Its been 9 years since Musk proposed it in 2013. You're latching onto a single phrase of my post and ignoring the problem here. Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money. My point, is that investors (ie: shareholders) need to think about what to fund, or not to fund. Engineers who apply to his company, need to think about which teams to support and which teams to ignore. I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful. Disney / Boston Dynamics / Honda / etc. etc. have gotten far further with robot technology if anyone actually wants to join a competent team. -------- If Hyperloop isn't weirdly bad enough for you, then Elon Musk's random obsession with Bitcoin and Dogecoin was also quite harmful.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    > Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then. Nothing. I didn't make any argument that they hyperloop was good. Not sure where I got the idea that I did. > Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money. He never gathered investors for the hyperloop. So not sure why you would bring it up as an example. > I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful. Well, Tesla is a pretty big company, this project is a tiny part of their budget and is heavily based on projects they work on for other things as well. And Tesla and Musk clearly disagree that this could be useful. Again, please tell me what investor has Musk harmed. I guess people might have bought some crypto currencies because musk likes them, but that their responsibility and those people are not investors. Musk never said those things will make money for them.
    - dragontamer 4y ago
      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musk-258-billion-dogecoin-lawsuit-expands-2022-09-07/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musk-258-billion-dog... Don't just trust anything this guy says. Evaluate and think.
      - fastball 4y ago
        So by "investors" you meant "people who bought Dogecoin thinking it would be a good investment". Personally that sounds more like Elon Musk has allegedly harmed gamblers.
        dragontamer 4y ago
        By "investors", I mean Elon Musk fanbois who got burned listening to his tweets on Dogecoin. The same fanbois who are about to get burned on this Optimus robot and Tesla stock, IMO anyway. This is all a huge waste of money for the car company. The same fanbois / Tesla investors who got $Billion of dollars of Tesla's investment money trapped in BTC at the height of the Bitcoin bubble. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/tesla-converted-75percent-of-bitcoin-purchases-to-fiat-currency-in-q2-2022.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/tesla-converted-75percent-of... SPO -> $Billion gathered from Tesla shareholders / investors, that money went into BTC and WAS GAMBLED by the technoking. But no biggie, they'll just SPO again and get more money from the next set of share buyers.