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Pharma really will do anything to find a depression drug they can sell for huge markup when LSD, ketamine, and psilocybin are already known to work effectively.

jasonhansel 4y ago
I can imagine someone saying the same thing about aspirin. "Pharma will do anything to sell you aspirin pills, when you can just get salicylates the natural way from willow bark." No. Standardization, rigorous testing, and FDA approval are good things.
- mmsnberbar66 4y ago
  I would like to hear why this person is being downvoted
  - 5co 4y ago
- zwkrt 4y ago
  it would be nice if the standardization could come from using the substances that we already have, even if just as a sensible start. I can understand mushrooms being iffy because they comlpex and vary (even between mushrooms of the same species), but LSD is a single molecule already! I would love to see a future where I can get a government-standardized tab of acid. Of course this will never happen. The reason they are investigating how to get the 'good' effects without the 'bad/uncontrollable' effects is because of who is deciding what 'good' and 'bad' are. 'Good' = Allows people to continue functioning at a high level with the current power structures in place. Put in other words, it is only worthwhile to cure someone's depression if you can do it without the cure involving that person realizing that their current government isn't working for them.
  - chevman 4y ago
    That's literally what they did. Started with their knowledge of LSD and went from there using a similar chemical.
  - jasonhansel 4y ago
    Personally, I wouldn't want to take a medication that would permanently change my political views. I seriously doubt there's a drug that reliably makes your political opinions more correct and truthful, but I'm sure that there are drugs that impair your judgment so much that you cannot tell you are impaired. So I would suspect that LSD falls into the latter category, not the former. If the changes are irreversible, I certainly wouldn't want to take that risk.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  > Standardization, rigorous testing, and FDA approval are good things. But that's what we aren't getting with existing substances, instead what gets tested, standardized and approved are substances that are patented and immensely profitable.
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jasonhansel 4y ago

I can imagine someone saying the same thing about aspirin. "Pharma will do anything to sell you aspirin pills, when you can just get salicylates the natural way from willow bark." No. Standardization, rigorous testing, and FDA approval are good things.

mmsnberbar66 4y ago
I would like to hear why this person is being downvoted
- 5co 4y ago
zwkrt 4y ago
it would be nice if the standardization could come from using the substances that we already have, even if just as a sensible start. I can understand mushrooms being iffy because they comlpex and vary (even between mushrooms of the same species), but LSD is a single molecule already! I would love to see a future where I can get a government-standardized tab of acid. Of course this will never happen. The reason they are investigating how to get the 'good' effects without the 'bad/uncontrollable' effects is because of who is deciding what 'good' and 'bad' are. 'Good' = Allows people to continue functioning at a high level with the current power structures in place. Put in other words, it is only worthwhile to cure someone's depression if you can do it without the cure involving that person realizing that their current government isn't working for them.
- chevman 4y ago
  That's literally what they did. Started with their knowledge of LSD and went from there using a similar chemical.
- jasonhansel 4y ago
  Personally, I wouldn't want to take a medication that would permanently change my political views. I seriously doubt there's a drug that reliably makes your political opinions more correct and truthful, but I'm sure that there are drugs that impair your judgment so much that you cannot tell you are impaired. So I would suspect that LSD falls into the latter category, not the former. If the changes are irreversible, I certainly wouldn't want to take that risk.
heavyset_go 4y ago
> Standardization, rigorous testing, and FDA approval are good things. But that's what we aren't getting with existing substances, instead what gets tested, standardized and approved are substances that are patented and immensely profitable.

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