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Anyone else find it unsettling that the acronym the social justice crowd settled on was DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equality)?

topaz0 4y ago
I've never seen it ordered that way before reading the reactionary comments in this comment section.
orf 4y ago
No, because the acronym is DEI…
- canadiantim 4y ago
  mhmm, because of course everyone knows that we order the letters in an acronym according to the least rememberable order, right?
  - orf 4y ago
    You seem to know very little about the topic and yet seem to have strong opinions about what the “social justice crowd” is up to. I’d reflect on that.
    - canadiantim 4y ago
      You seem to defend the social justice crowd without putting in any critical thinking for yourself. I'd reflect on that.
- nilespotter 4y ago
  I've always said DIE
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plasticchris 4y ago
Equity, not equality. Big difference (almost the opposite meaning !)
- canadiantim 4y ago
  What is equity if not equality then? (Honest question, as I just assumed it was equality as generally that's something we've been historically striving for.)
  - plasticchris 4y ago
    I'll do my best at an honest answer then :) Equity is equality of outcomes (done by explicitly redirecting resources as needed to get this result). As opposed to equal opportunity which is what is generally meant by "equality". Or to ELI5 it's treating people differently to get them all to the same position, instead of treating everyone the same. The argument for "equity" is then that we aren't all starting from the same place. It's the same line of reasoning that justified affirmative action in the US.
  - nilespotter 4y ago
    Opportunities and rights on the one hand, outcomes on the other. e.g. - Equality: We are both free to operate in an open market to secure the best outcomes for ourselves - Equity: You made $1000, I made $100, we both get $550 Wokes will bend over backwards to paint equality as an impossible project, claiming that it is doomed because of historical white supremacy, generational oppression, moon phases, etc. We're asked to believe uncritically that the goal of equal opportunity is equal outcome, and commanded to pursue equal outcome at all costs lest we are labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and misogynist; de-platformed from all social media and made infamous and unemployable so we can't work to support our families. Equality is the American civil rights movement, equity is literally communism.
    - orf 4y ago
      There’s a lot of nonsense to unpack in that comment. Equity is not “literally communism”, it’s the pretty simple understanding that if you always start 40 meters ahead of someone in a 100 meter race, you’re likely to always finish first and they won’t have a chance. So we put more (and therefore unequal) resources into helping the competitor who’s having to run 40 more meters than you.
arein3 4y ago
It's equity not equality. In a way, the opposite of equality.

topaz0 4y ago

I've never seen it ordered that way before reading the reactionary comments in this comment section.

orf 4y ago

No, because the acronym is DEI…

canadiantim 4y ago
mhmm, because of course everyone knows that we order the letters in an acronym according to the least rememberable order, right?
- orf 4y ago
  You seem to know very little about the topic and yet seem to have strong opinions about what the “social justice crowd” is up to. I’d reflect on that.
  - canadiantim 4y ago
    You seem to defend the social justice crowd without putting in any critical thinking for yourself. I'd reflect on that.
nilespotter 4y ago
I've always said DIE

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plasticchris 4y ago

Equity, not equality. Big difference (almost the opposite meaning !)

canadiantim 4y ago
What is equity if not equality then? (Honest question, as I just assumed it was equality as generally that's something we've been historically striving for.)
- plasticchris 4y ago
  I'll do my best at an honest answer then :) Equity is equality of outcomes (done by explicitly redirecting resources as needed to get this result). As opposed to equal opportunity which is what is generally meant by "equality". Or to ELI5 it's treating people differently to get them all to the same position, instead of treating everyone the same. The argument for "equity" is then that we aren't all starting from the same place. It's the same line of reasoning that justified affirmative action in the US.
- nilespotter 4y ago
  Opportunities and rights on the one hand, outcomes on the other. e.g. - Equality: We are both free to operate in an open market to secure the best outcomes for ourselves - Equity: You made $1000, I made $100, we both get $550 Wokes will bend over backwards to paint equality as an impossible project, claiming that it is doomed because of historical white supremacy, generational oppression, moon phases, etc. We're asked to believe uncritically that the goal of equal opportunity is equal outcome, and commanded to pursue equal outcome at all costs lest we are labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and misogynist; de-platformed from all social media and made infamous and unemployable so we can't work to support our families. Equality is the American civil rights movement, equity is literally communism.
  - orf 4y ago
    There’s a lot of nonsense to unpack in that comment. Equity is not “literally communism”, it’s the pretty simple understanding that if you always start 40 meters ahead of someone in a 100 meter race, you’re likely to always finish first and they won’t have a chance. So we put more (and therefore unequal) resources into helping the competitor who’s having to run 40 more meters than you.

arein3 4y ago

It's equity not equality. In a way, the opposite of equality.